Protest procedure

Originally posted by Brass The normally expected outcome of an advisory hearing where a boat accepts that she has broken a rule would be that the boat would take an Exoneration Penalty. Any invitation or suggestion that she should retire would be grossly improper.

Brass.
I politely request (ie invite) you consider looking up the definition of the word invite. Or please let us know why we should not continue to be polite when carrying out this process? I am quite prepared to be rude in such circumstances, but feel this would be against the RYA racing charter.
After all I was only commenting in the manner in which this process is intended to be carried out, which is a non confrontational and friendly way, and suggesting that the said protest committee seemed to have had some confusion on which system they were using as they did not have a written protest, which is not required for advisory hearing.

Andy.

Originally posted by Peaky I don't know the technicalities, but couldn't you argue that you are racing all the while your result is still alterable? I guess not, ifficult to have a port/starboard in the bar... But still it seems a bit inconsistent to allow the assistance of others in affecting someone's race result.

Racing A boat is racing from her preparatory signal until she finishes and clears the finishing line and marks or retires, or until the race committee signals a general recall, postponement or abandonment.

Edited by Brass - 23 Nov 14 at 1:05pm

It is in your link.
They even use the word invite for the arbitration penalties in the summary table. Retirement is the only penalty that a boat is invited to accept in cases of serious damage or injury, or if the 20% option is not in the SI's.
Definition of invite: to politely request.

I was wrong to say a boat may not retire in an arbitration hearing, there is a confusing paragraph in the introductory page. The document itself quite clearly state that a boat may accept an alternate penalty which includes the opportunity of retirement up until the point of the full hearing.


Andy

Edited by andymck - 23 Nov 14 at 12:34am

Originally posted by andymck Brass regarding the advisory process. The RYA website quite clearly states you are invited (as it can not be enforced) to accept a penalty if it is written in the sailing instructions or retire.   You may do either or even neither as it also states that you do not have to accept the outcome of an advisory hearing and therefore not accept any penalty. This is supposed to be used when neither boat wants formerly protest, but wish to know what the rules mean.  This just formalises the gentlemanly and ladylike conversations that have gone on in many clubs anyway.  Arbitration which is more formal does not allow you to retire, as it is a formal hearing. Again the penalty is short of a DSQ. The reason for mentioning it was that you don't use a written protest form with an advisory hearing, after that this obviously did not follow the process. Most uk clubs ought to be offering these options outside of major championships. I hope this confuses up any confusion.