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    Posted: 03 Oct 14 at 11:44am
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Just as a matter of personal interest, how are they broken down these days, what does get taught, do they do pre race prep, course observation, startline tactics, 1st beat strategy, 1st reach strategy according to position, what to do if your in front, what to do if your behind, stuff like that?

How to tackle the run, when to soak when to sail high, how to spot downwind shifts, port starboard advance planning?

Do they cover tidal situations?

Windshift strategy when to tack when not to?

Approach to the finish?

There must be so many books on the subject around by now..but which get used or suggested as reference matter?

When we do race training we usually start with starts. Just getting them to be anywhere near the line is an achievement to start with.

Once they crack that we work on the first beat, finding a lane, trying to keep your wind clear etc.. and refining upwind technique. Lots of short windward/leeward 1 lap races is great for this (along with taking some video).

Then we start looking at offwind, emphasizing that the quickest course on a reach or run is not always the shortest distance so keeping an eye open for gusts.

then mark rounding (which introduces the idea of tactics, ie making your rounding effective so another boat cannot get in above you and take your wind on the next leg).

Then we come back to starts and introduce the idea of line bias, how to spot it and use it to your advantage.

Somewhere in there we will also approach boat specific tuning and technique.

It is not something you can do quickly as there is just too much!

There is, of course, the RYA 'method' and courses but these are very basic IMO and once you have covered start racing you are more in to coaching and refining rather than out and out teaching.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Just as a matter of personal interest, how are they broken down these days, what does get taught, do they do pre race prep, course observation, startline tactics, 1st beat strategy, 1st reach strategy according to position, what to do if your in front, what to do if your behind, stuff like that?

How to tackle the run, when to soak when to sail high, how to spot downwind shifts, port starboard advance planning?

Do they cover tidal situations?

Windshift strategy when to tack when not to?

Approach to the finish?

There must be so many books on the subject around by now..but which get used or suggested as reference matter?

gosh - you really do sound like an old dinghy sailor these days mate...   Confused
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Originally posted by kneewrecker



I think that's a gross over assessment -



It could be, but when you see at Olympic level having spent tens of thousands on gear, our 'hopefuls' going out the back door of a start last, you do wonder.

Or our nations best tacking too early into the dirty air of the down coming fleet and sucking it up rather than waiting another 30 secs and the air would have been cleaner.

Or Lasers missing a bloody big dip in the line where with a help of a half decent transit there would have been no need to have been buried.

I know it's easy to spot from the side lines, but, good tacticians really don't miss an opportunity - ever.

Unless of course they've just done it so often, are so much more an automaton rather than a focussed hungry competitor desperate for success..

Well despite all of this, British Sailing - at the top tiers across the sport, has never been better.  If the Finn Olympic regatta (the most important and highest accolade of all Sporting endeavour in my valueless opinion) were three entries per country, it wouldn't have been outside of expectation to get all the medals at Portland!

FFS- 'we' even have enough talent and will power from capital investors to pony up a credible AC challenge for the first time in, well, living memory...

If you are levying this success is at the detriment to grass roots and amateur sailing, then I think you have point.  But to say the cream of the sport have devalued the tactical element, is frankly, rather ridiculous.  

  
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Just as a matter of personal interest, how are they broken down these days, what does get taught, do they do pre race prep, course observation, startline tactics, 1st beat strategy, 1st reach strategy according to position, what to do if your in front, what to do if your behind, stuff like that?

How to tackle the run, when to soak when to sail high, how to spot downwind shifts, port starboard advance planning?

Do they cover tidal situations?

Windshift strategy when to tack when not to?

Approach to the finish?

There must be so many books on the subject around by now..but which get used or suggested as reference matter?

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My lot get taught tactics as part of a whole. It can be a mistake to separate them out too far from boat handling, in a way - get the tacking right, and the (for example, as used above) the staying between the mark and the boat thing becomes much more easy. I would rarely have a long session on the land about it at start racing level - more suggestions on the water, and then discussion after. At higher levels where everyone is interested, then yes, more land based stuff.


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Tactics are much under used at Club Level I think, possibly because they are not taught. Even the basic 'keep yourself between your opponent and the mark' seems to be a mystery to some people!
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Originally posted by kneewrecker



I think that's a gross over assessment -



It could be, but when you see at Olympic level having spent tens of thousands on gear, our 'hopefuls' going out the back door of a start last, you do wonder.

Or our nations best tacking too early into the dirty air of the down coming fleet and sucking it up rather than waiting another 30 secs and the air would have been cleaner.

Or Lasers missing a bloody big dip in the line where with a help of a half decent transit there would have been no need to have been buried.

I know it's easy to spot from the side lines, but, good tacticians really don't miss an opportunity - ever.

Unless of course they've just done it so often, are so much more an automaton rather than a focussed hungry competitor desperate for success..

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I think that's a gross over assessment - up until recently I noticed that most of the youth sailing at my old club seemed to have an onerous amount of lesson time talking tactics- it kind of put me off thinking about sending my own kid down that route when she was old enough- they have enough classroom time as  it is.  I'd imagine it was this schooling that probably put your own children off when you (foolishly/naively) left them in loco parentis of the RYA regional training centre.  I bet you'd do it differently now...

I get the impression things are somewhat different with a much more 'messing around on the water' emphasis at the club now.  I've not been over there to see it in person, but the fact that they're out on the water paddling around rigless picos rather than having their ears bored off to RYA powerpoint when there's no wind is, to me anyway, a very encouraging sign that someone or some folks now responsible actually 'get it'.


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