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    Posted: 29 Sep 14 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by fab100

As an aside, what would Nelson say as an Admiral today when the MoD give him as aircraft carrier today but said he'd have to wait 8 years for the aircraft. Akin to sending the Victory to Trafalgar without cannons 

Nelson in today's society?  He'd probably ask why he lost a hand and an eye all because one American family's oil interests were under commercial pressure.  
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Don't a lot of people really enjoy the nomenclature.  That seems to be a bit of magic for many novices, who feel they're joining a big bit of national heritage in the footsteps of Drake, Raleigh and Nelson.  Or is that just Wayfarer sailors?

OK, Nelson never joined a CA, but you know what I mean...

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And sure enough, flipping' expensive, but the good news for grf is that no hiking is required

As an aside, what would Nelson say as an Admiral today when the MoD give him as aircraft carrier today but said he'd have to wait 8 years for the aircraft. Akin to sending the Victory to Trafalgar without cannons 
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Yep- I think you have a point.  It's got a kind of retro vibe, one that gets lost in the blandness of pushing the stick on a Pico or pulling the rope on a Topaz.

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Originally posted by jeffers

Tooper did used to make other boats you know...they were not a one trick pony in the past (Blaze, Buzz and Iso from memory). they then decided to not produce GRP boats at all about 8 years back and concentrate of their core boat (the Topper) and a variety of rotomoulded stuff.
Sure, but when Topper made them none of them excited me or gave me any expectations (except the Iso till I tried one), whereas if Cirrus built the Topper you'd expect them to make a proper job if it.
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Don't a lot of people really enjoy the nomenclature.  That seems to be a bit of magic for many novices, who feel they're joining a big bit of national heritage in the footsteps of Drake, Raleigh and Nelson.  Or is that just Wayfarer sailors?

OK, Nelson never joined a CA, but you know what I mean...
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Blimey, reading that quickly Jeffers, I thought Cirrus had taken over the Topper production and added a carbon mast.  Imagine that, an frp Topper, hull weight 25kg, carbon spars. I'd probably buy one!

Tooper did used to make other boats you know...they were not a one trick pony in the past (Blaze, Buzz and Iso from memory). they then decided to not produce GRP boats at all about 8 years back and concentrate of their core boat (the Topper) and a variety of rotomoulded stuff.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

"Welfare", "Personnel", "Human Resources" - the changes don't change the leopard's spots, do they?  Though hopefully CA's are more popular than the department identified in my example!

Human Capital Department might be a better description of the perfunctory responsibilities most corporate employers have to their staff.  
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Originally posted by Rupert

Would we be better off calling them Owners Groups?

it might seem like a meaningless step- but imo, one of the barriers to the sport is the nomenclature.  

We either accept it, embracing its traditions and heritage and can be grown up enough to acknowledge that in reality, the demographic for boat ownership is not really in the lowest echelons of society; or we change it and get on twitter about our Performance Riders In Club Sailing- #hashtag 'prics' for short.   


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"Welfare", "Personnel", "Human Resources" - the changes don't change the leopard's spots, do they?  Though hopefully CA's are more popular than the department identified in my example!
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