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hobbiteater ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 12 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 107 |
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thanks Rubpert - sounds good
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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It was higher than a Lightning boom, so higher than the Laser. Not like a Snipe, though.
Trouble is, high boom = high CofE - not what you really want in a narrow boat. |
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hobbiteater ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 12 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 107 |
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so i get boom height is a compromise between performance and comfort# which side of the balance does the aero come out on?
#i think comfort or in reality human factors is underplayed as a performance driver
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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There is no cabin, so you should be fine... If you mean the boom, it is a dinghy - you can't walk across. |
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hobbiteater ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 12 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 107 |
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how much headroom in these things, cant be doing with ducking
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There I was making what I thought was an obvious observation on length and it seems to have generated quite some debate. FWIW I'm with Jim that length really starts benefitting when wave resistance starts increasing. Don't know exactly what point that would be, though.
Certainly if you look at big keel boats, length has always been such an important factor. Modern lightweight flyers only really fly off-the-wind when they are planing. Every other point of sail and they struggle to overcome the length issue. |
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Can't easily answer that one, Rupert, but on the basis of my analysis of the original Aero 9, which suggested a PY around 1030, the extra length could knock off 40 points or more. But you wouldn't leave it there. The extra length would bring extra stability, meaning that if you were happy with the original stability you could narrow down the waterline beam to bring stability back to where it started. That could net you another 10 points or so.
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There are just so many variables Rupert, for instance all else being equal the longer boat has a sharper bow so cuts through waves better, all the rest of it. Extra length changes everything... We learned some years back, for instance, that in Cherub design wetted area is far less significant than it is in I14 design, which is why hull shapes that work for one don't usually work so well for the other.
My not-very-well informed guess is that I suppose length starts kicking in as soon as wavemaking is significant, which is going to be, I suppose, when you're about half way to theoretical max displacement speed, maybe around 3 or 4 knots? From there its going to get more dominant. Precious few sailboats get to plane so fast that they are not towing big waves around. Edited by JimC - 10 Jul 14 at 12:58pm |
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So, back to the Aero. If you kept everything the same, but stretched the boat by 4 feet, adding in the % weight change, at what wind strength would the added length overcome the added wetted surface and weight (assuming the extra length hadn't buggered up the balance, rocker line etc)?
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