The Fuller Number

   Hey I am about the only boat down that lake, that either does his turns or sails the correct course..

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iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Topic: The Fuller Number Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 10:02pm
	Hey I am about the only boat down that lake, that either does his turns or sails the correct course..
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Neal_g Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Far too distracted from work Joined: 07 Oct 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 323	Post Options Post Reply Quote Neal_g Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 22 Mar 16 at 7:54pm
	i discovered about the fuller number at the weekend it starts with his optimum time watch which made him early for the start. so best not to be over just crash into the boat below or capsize on top. then to dive into a non existant gap at the windward mark whislt out of control. so the fuller number will never be 360 or 720. just the amoiunt of rules he breaks in one race and boats he hits which i think tallied out about 5 rules and 3 boats
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mothlee Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 11 Mar 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote mothlee Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 8:00pm
	If you're interested in a very good second hand sail. My other half has a virtually unused banks sail, cut for a Claridge carbon mast that she wants to sell. It's a couple of years old and done a couple of opens.

Cirrus Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590	Post Options Post Reply Quote Cirrus Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 7:03pm
	Mothlee Maybe ... if ready ! Hull was a total 'freebie' a few months ago but just survived Nov.5th and has cluttered up the workshop and demanded crazy amount of time to sort since. It was the first 'wood worrier' project for several decades but reminds me exactly why '786' will possibly be the very last wooden boat ever for me. Seriously. Still it was an interesting one to do. 'Now & then' will possibly hit the water on Sunday with its 20 year old sail ... if it can reasonably cope in handicap without needing a new sail etc then we will see about a few BM meetings during the year ..... The object was to pursue 'something completely different' ... and it sure is ! (likely to make even 'So-slow's' look racy)

realnutter Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 17 Nov 15 Location: Reading, UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 129	Post Options Post Reply Quote realnutter Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 6:18pm
	As you would expect, the formula breaks down away from the data set on which it was based... It calculates an Oppy at 1440 (vs 1665 in real life) And a Norfolk Punt at 996 (vs approx 908 in real) So it seem to make small boats seem faster, and large boats seem slower... It calculates my Cape Cod Frosty at 1500 dead... but since it's likely to be a binary performance boat, that might be pessimistic...

mothlee Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 11 Mar 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote mothlee Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 6:03pm
	Now that would be interesting. Cirrius are you going to be making an appearance at the first bm open of the year? 😊

Cirrus Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590	Post Options Post Reply Quote Cirrus Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 5:27pm
	So - the important stuff for me - somebody talk sense... what about the British Moth under this system ?

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 4:48pm
	Hooray, I've missed the Fuller number! Have the Solo and Streaker been run through it? Reading back through the thread just isn't going to happen...
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iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 11 Mar 16 at 4:40pm
	Here for the benefit of those in the Hadron thread talking about this idea again. I have bikes to ride dogs to exercise and Pubs to visit so i shall return and see how lively a discussion this can regenerate.
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Punky Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Groupie Joined: 11 Feb 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 90	Post Options Post Reply Quote Punky Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Apr 14 at 8:24pm
	How so Jim? Just to be clear, I think the PY scheme is the best method we have. Could it be improved? Probably, but the extra effort may not be worth the gain. I do not for one second think this, or any other formula, should replace the PY scheme. But a formula could possibly be used, judiciously, to supplement it, especially where there is little historic data to go on. Making the formula more closely match the PY numbers is not a guarantee that the formula has improved, because we can not make the assumption that the PY numbers are right in every case. This is clearly not least because the PY numbers themselves vary from year to year. Sometimes there are good reasons why the numbers change, but often I believe it is just noise in the signal or a change in the quality of the class.