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    Posted: 19 Jan 14 at 7:25am

Way out west at Roadford Lake (and others run by South West Lakes Trust) there is professional safety cover and you can pay'n'play any daytime or do one of their courses and the club runs racing at weekends (and I think also mid-week) with volunteer race officers.

With a large sailing area, a proper on-site campsite and Dartmoor near, it's a good place for a holiday and so we have a puddle club away weekend there every year, which we coincide with the CVRDA event for classic and vintage dinghies.
This year that's 7 & 8 June and includes the Classic Finn Nationals and an invitation to Lowrider Moths to join us. (Shameless plug!)
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Originally posted by Rupert

Interesting that you do it that way round, not paying to opt out, but having a reduction to opt in. Same result, subtly different approach.

Do enough people opt in to get enough of a race team?

And do you not find being paid to drive safety boat gets in the way of your own sailing?

I tend to work Saturdays, but yes it does get in the way. I am not a member of QMSC so can't answer the question, purely an observation from looking at membership.

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Carsington has a paid professional and a lesser paid underling.  They do maintenance, organise stuff keep a safety boat on the water during the week; but you won't see them doing weekend safety boat duties or running races - that's all done by volunteers..... and if you volunteer enough you get a reduction in your membership fee.  

Always short of volunteer race officers as having paid the membership fee, people would really rather sail than earn some of their membership fee back!



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Interesting that you do it that way round, not paying to opt out, but having a reduction to opt in. Same result, subtly different approach.

Do enough people opt in to get enough of a race team?

And do you not find being paid to drive safety boat gets in the way of your own sailing?
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I am a paid safety boat driver. All race officers are volunteers.    

QMSC members are able to reduce their membership fees by opting in to do race duties.

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I like to know and like the people I am racing against - it makes it far more fun. That is where the social aspect comes in - it isn't all to do with the demon drink. Though I am looking forward to camping up at the sailing club more in 2014 now we have a campervan, allowing for the odd glass (bottle) of wine.
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Originally posted by NickM

And I can think of at least one Sailing Club in southern England that resembles a French "centre nautiqe" that just does not work: there may be lots of foot-fall but you don't know anyone.  

which one is it Nick?  I could be genuinely interested.  As for not knowing anyone, really I'm not that bothered about that.  My socialising tends to be done away from sailing these days... I don't see the point in nursing a driving shandy for an evening when I could walk to the pubs or restaurants nearer home.  
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The way sailing and other sport has developed in France is a direct consequence of the mentality induced by the Code Napoleon. To participate in almost any sport you have to pass some sort of knowledge-based exam and get a "permit." It is admirable that municipalities put so much money into sport, though.

I just don't think it does for Brits who typically don't like being told what to do by the State. You can't bimble on a Club-owned boat! And I can think of at least one Sailing Club in southern England that resembles a French "centre nautiqe" that just does not work: there may be lots of foot-fall but you don't know anyone. Many are day-sailors who drag their old Laser out of the nettles for one or two days a summer. It is not at all the same atmosphere as a smaller volunteer-run racing-focused sailing club.
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Originally posted by GarethT

Originally posted by yellowwelly

My own point of view is that a sailing centre offering open meeting style racing could be a very interesting concept... run by professional staff, run as a business and offering training and boat leases as part of the package.  Naturally monday to friday it would look for institution based sales channels, but that's no different from a ski centre, swimming pool or bowling alley.
 
 
Sounds a bit like WPNSA.

do they actually have an open programme of racing in the harbour?  I thought they more a facility for class associations to book for training and championships.  Confused
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This is not aproblem when sailing is opened up to a wider public. Wednesday afternoon could well be the time for the local school sailing league whilst on Mondays Thursdays and Fridays school classes would be sailing. And how about weekday racing/training for the many people who do not work 9to5 - including the retired, those that work at home, shift workers....

Once you have professional staff hteir first pre-occupation is to get the centre fully booked - that is the only way they are going to keep their job and have a career!
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