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    Posted: 25 Nov 13 at 7:24pm
I think sea sailing is much easier in some boats than others - I'd far rather sail my contender on the sea than inland.  Fewer shifts so not so much need to tack so often, nice long trapezing legs, the challenge of the waves on the downwind legs.  Easier and more fun.

As Alan pointed out earlier with is report from the Streakers, sea sailing can be disastrous for some classes, but they are the ones lucky enough to perform well on almost all inland venues - quick to tack so easy to respond to shifts, close tactical racing, great fun all round.

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I used to love doing four races a day at the nationals when i was in the vareo as after the second race most people were knackered i just used to pray for 20 knots everyday much more fun trying to lap the backmakers Big smile
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Originally posted by L123456

 

BTW I do enjoy a bit of ice dodging on  a puddle in the winter 

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Originally posted by L123456

 

Pile it on I can take it  Wink

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Originally posted by yellowwelly

seems like L123456 is getting a bit of a shoeing for stating the obvious.... it would be fun to join in, (laser sailors deserve it), but s/he's right; any regular class which hosts its nationals inland, at a generic water authority sailing centre like the place I sail, is going to be seen by some, me included, as a bit soft.    If I lived near the sea there's no way I'd opt to sail inland outside of winter times, or unless I was going to some training or a specific inland winter event.

The caveat on this is that there are some locations which are 100% inland, but not seen as quite so soft because they're a bit special- Loch Lomond is one of the most beautiful parts of the UK and everyone should sail there once in their life if they get the chance.  I think anyone brought up dinghy sailing in the 90's will have a championship on Garda on that bucket list too.  

The other caveat is that some boats have developed their market, even their hull form, for inland and river sailing.  Naturally it makes no sense whatsoever that such classes would host their nationals on the sea.  I don't think anyone is presenting their opinion as black or white on this.  

(@duncan- I have no idea if the Lightning or Streaker falls into that latter category- quite possibly given the locations they seem to be sailed at, so no offence to the Lightning / Streaker classes)

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BTW I do enjoy a bit of ice dodging on  a puddle in the winter as my sea club shuts down so I do know about you pond scummers ...
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Originally posted by Steve411

Originally posted by Rupert

I do get bored sailing those long sea legs at a Nationals. We spend our sailing lives spending 5 or 10 minutes max going upwind at a time, doing 45 minute races, and suddenly we go to the Ntionals and we are expeted to spend far longer hiked out and sail 2 hours for one bloody race. Yawn. Luckily, some classes have realized how daft this is and are doing more than one race per day these days.
 
I should think most classes are doing multiple races a day aren't they? I know the Merlins keep to a traditional format but I think all the RS classes have 2/3 races a day. I know the Phantom does too. I remember doing a 3 hour championship race back in the day but 45 minutes is the norm for us now.

some RS classes ran 4 back to back...  Confused Dead

the sentiment above is quite right, half the fun of racing in a bigger fleet is the start and first lap, where winning and losing game-making is big... I'd rather get a few more of those in than an endurance race myself.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I do get bored sailing those long sea legs at a Nationals. We spend our sailing lives spending 5 or 10 minutes max going upwind at a time, doing 45 minute races, and suddenly we go to the Ntionals and we are expeted to spend far longer hiked out and sail 2 hours for one bloody race. Yawn. Luckily, some classes have realized how daft this is and are doing more than one race per day these days.
 
I should think most classes are doing multiple races a day aren't they? I know the Merlins keep to a traditional format but I think all the RS classes have 2/3 races a day. I know the Phantom does too. I remember doing a 3 hour championship race back in the day but 45 minutes is the norm for us now.
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I do get bored sailing those long sea legs at a Nationals. We spend our sailing lives spending 5 or 10 minutes max going upwind at a time, doing 45 minute races, and suddenly we go to the Ntionals and we are expeted to spend far longer hiked out and sail 2 hours for one bloody race. Yawn. Luckily, some classes have realized how daft this is and are doing more than one race per day these days.
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Originally posted by Nipper


 
In my experience, inland sailors learn to sail on the sea much more easily than sea sailors learning to sail inland, which is probably why sea sailors knock inland sailing so much.

I think you're right about the transferable skills aspect, however I think the reason why sea sailors knock inland sailing so much is because, when it comes down to it, the sailing itself is just not as much fun.  That's the reason why many inland clubs struggle so much to keep members who 'don't race'.... there's only so many times even somewhere like Rutland can be 'explored' Swallows and Amazons style.
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