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    Posted: 20 Sep 13 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by iGRF

I often wonder what it would be like returning to the MPS, doubt it would be that much different.

you'd still not be good enough.  Don't take that as a criticism, you'd be in good company.  Sure, you might get it around a course a little better.  You might even find your technique makes it less of a battle.  But racing it, properly racing it, thinking about tactics and play outs, shifts and bends, shorter finishes, transits; tacking on autopilot reliant on muscle memory and knowing you're not going to capsize... why would you?... n'ah, you'll be in survival mode as soon as it's fun, the course will be 'sh*te' (actually windward leeward racing week in, week out is boring as sh*te) and you'll have no one to race against- a lot of real performance sailors have moved on, the rest of us have 'been there, done that' or were wise enough to take a swerve and can now sit back and say 'told you so' without much comeback.

Did you read that Franglo style report I sent?  They were right, and yep, it never got selected for the Olympics... 49er Beijing re-run?  No thanks... Jacques Rogge knows a good boat, he sailed them.  

15 years of bullsh*t marketing later, convincing the rest of us we're missing something, and you still haven't risen above it (and you're a former pro at bullsh*t marketing... so what hope have the rest of us got).  

Hopefully one day you will be able to spot a good dinghy race when you see one- often in spite of the actual craft- it's a perverse little world in dinghyland mate, but then you knew that, you just haven't quite accepted you can't change it yet.


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I never knew about all this until I snowboarded, I was lucky windsurfing in that my home break was starboard tack, so my Port tack evened out quite easily without my realising why, but as age slows down the learning process of new things, like Kiteboarding and trying to sail a skiff without first doing the basics, the differences do show up. I could always tack the MPS wire to wire from Port to Starboard, but the other way inevitably saw me in irons similarly the Blaze much later down the path. Yet the problems are not as apparent if the boat itself is well balanced, I hardly ever have issues with the EPS, or maybe I've become more practised at doing whatever it is you're supposed to do the way it should be, so practise as ever is key and practise on your wrong side, the right side will inevitably look after itself.. I often wonder what it would be like returning to the MPS, doubt it would be that much different.
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I always find tacking from stbd to port much easier on the 700 but oddly it's the other way around in the graduate. I suspect the difference is one is centre main and the other is transom main. That said in lighter winds I can nail it on both tacks, it only becomes a slight issue when the breeze is on.
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Port tack - windsurf, snowboard and dinghy (and skate way back when...)

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Nope, here's the test..

Stand feet together, then lean back until your forced to step back.

You'll end up left foot forward which will mean you're Port tack favoured, or right foot forward (goofy) and the opposite applies, everyone is handed one way or the other and it doesn't necessarily follow which hand you write with.
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Played squash for many years and now my right shoulder and arm are significantly more developed (that's my excuse anyway Wink). My sheeting when windy is much better on s/board.
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I'm sure there are differences, but I've never noticed being less kack handed on one side or the other - I can fall in on the gybes on either side.

I did know a very good sailor who somehow never swapped hands at all. He'd been sailing since he was a child in Enterprises, and when he bought an Iso had to re-learn how to sail completely.
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Originally posted by JimC

Someone at my club commented today that he's generally much better at gybing from starboard to port than port to starboard in a serious breeze, and I it made me realise that I'm actually better at tacking and gybing the Canoe from starboard to port rather than vice versa. In my case at least its running round the boat and getting into position that's the issue much more than hands.
Is this unusual? Are there any special coaching tricks other than get out there and practise?
I suppose, thinking about it, isn't sailing quite unusual in requiring the competitor to be almost completely ambidextrous?


Same here, I'm always quicker when steering with my left hand (I'm right handed).
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I recently noticed the same during a race on a figure of 8 course with two gybe marks.
By the 3rd lap I had worked out that I was changing hands at a different times going from port to stbd  when compared to the other way around.
Now I just have to re-train my stbd to port hand sequence (easier said than done).
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Posts: 389 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Mister Nick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Sep 13 at 8:00pm
I guess your foot placement and movement is just better going one way. Kind of like skiing really, I turn much better one way than the other.
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