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    Posted: 02 Sep 13 at 1:15pm
Originally posted by yellowwelly

Insurance is a consideration... 

with a boat only worth £1000, your insurance should be around £150 with a decent excess, although Noble is more.

Snap a mast and you'll find your boat is effectively written off, which isn'y good for your claims history:


£1300 for a new stick!

The benefit of a contender would be a 'wanted ad' and you'll pick up an old tin mast for a few notes- this will keep you on the water, keep your insurance down and mean either yoy or your insurance company won't be spending the same again in the event of a breakage on a known weak point.

If the mast is carbon it will be repaired (circa £400 per join) - we had ours repaired ( don't ask) was in three pieces cannot see the joins....
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by RS400atC

In my experience of people buying faster boats, I hear a lot more people wishing they'd gone high performance earlier than wishing they'd got something slower...[


that's because the slower boat has enabled them to get out sailing, give them more time on the water and experience stronger wind! There by giving them the confidence to want a faster boat! I can't remember meeting anyone at a sailing club with enough humility to actually go around saying the performance boat they bought was too much for them. They just sell it on.
 
Well I sold my 600 because it was too much commitment as a second (almost third) boat.
Too much commitment to sailing the 400 and crewing a fair few evenings in something else.
When I bought it, I had thought I be doing a bit less in the 400 for a few reasons.
I certainly wish I'd bought the 400 five years earlier and the 600 ten years earlier, although they were too expensive then.
Back in the day when I bought my first clapped out 505, I remember wishing I'd done it earlier instead of pottering about in Enterprises and keelboats.
I don't think it is always a mistake to buy a fast boat (or board  even?) and sell it on without fully mastering it, it gives you an insight into sailing which is hard to get any other way and will be of value later.
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I would suggest you go to the specific RS600 forum - http://www.rs600.org/index.asp?selection=New%20Forum&Fleet=RS600
and ask there, we are a very helpful fleet and will be happy to advise on any potential 600 purchase.
One thing that really goes for the the 600 is the maintenance - there is very little. It is a glass/epoxy hull, even early ones should still be stiff and they require next to no looking after. The same cannot be said for anything wooden which other people here are suggesting.
If you pay between £1k and £1.5k for a boat with a trailer and spare main I am sure you will get your money back. Someone mentioned they have a dacron main, this is not true they have a mylar main and it is pretty bullet proof (can be reefed though, which is handy).

Edited by Fearful - 29 Aug 13 at 1:12pm
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Originally posted by jeffers

From what I know of RS600's the only mast to avoid are the early Angel masts as they have an ali sleeve in them which corrodes and damages the integrity of the mast as a specific point. The mast usually snaps at this point and is difficult to repair.

RS did change the design and the 'new' mast does not suffer the same issue.

As for scabby and sun burned just make sure it is not too bad and then get busy with some sandpaper and varnish/paint to protect it and ensure the UV does not harm the fibers.
I think early Superspars masts also had an ali sleeve where the reefing stump joins on.
but a break at 'stump' level can be (relatively) easily fixed as the bend characteristic is not ever so critical right at the bottom of the sail.
I don't know if there are other sleeves higher up?
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From what I know of RS600's the only mast to avoid are the early Angel masts as they have an ali sleeve in them which corrodes and damages the integrity of the mast as a specific point. The mast usually snaps at this point and is difficult to repair.

RS did change the design and the 'new' mast does not suffer the same issue.

As for scabby and sun burned just make sure it is not too bad and then get busy with some sandpaper and varnish/paint to protect it and ensure the UV does not harm the fibers.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

In my experience of people buying faster boats, I hear a lot more people wishing they'd gone high performance earlier than wishing they'd got something slower...[


that's because the slower boat has enabled them to get out sailing, give them more time on the water and experience stronger wind! There by giving them the confidence to want a faster boat! I can't remember meeting anyone at a sailing club with enough humility to actually go around saying the performance boat they bought was too much for them. They just sell it on.

Edited by Jack Sparrow - 29 Aug 13 at 12:08pm
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But how many RS600's actually ever need new masts?
They are quite tough (as in I never broke mine, nor did any of the people I loaned it to).
They are also repairable.
 
In my experience of people buying faster boats, I hear a lot more people wishing they'd gone high performance earlier than wishing they'd got something slower...
 
There are some 600 masts around that look a bit sunburned and sordid, but even so, how often do they break?
 
I guess some boats will be written off by the high cost of spares, but that should put a few spare wings, booms, rudders etc etc into the market.
 
A sub-£1k contender would be in the same position.
In cars and motorbikes we accept breaking the odd damaged one for parts, why not in boats?
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Insurance is a consideration... 

with a boat only worth £1000, your insurance should be around £150 with a decent excess, although Noble is more.

Snap a mast and you'll find your boat is effectively written off, which isn'y good for your claims history:


£1300 for a new stick!

The benefit of a contender would be a 'wanted ad' and you'll pick up an old tin mast for a few notes- this will keep you on the water, keep your insurance down and mean either yoy or your insurance company won't be spending the same again in the event of a breakage on a known weak point.
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Originally posted by dohertpk

Jack Sparrow: thanks a mil for your insight. I'll definitely take the Farr and Contender into consideration. Not in Cork no; I sail in Dun Laoghaire in Dublin.


The Farr looks a nice boat, but is it in the OP's price range?
Unfortunately, cash matters to most of us.
Provided you are prepared to sit out the windy days in your first months when you are not ready, a 600 is not impossible. It might be hard, but the rewards are there.
A lot of people have had a lot of fun in them without being any more than ordinary club sailors.
I suspect you could buy a 600 and an old laser for windy days and still have change from a Farr budget?
6's are so cheap now, it's a matter of finding one with a tidy mast and sail.
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