New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Personal Flotation Device
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Personal Flotation Device

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Strangler View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king
Avatar

Joined: 24 Mar 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 154
Post Options Post Options   Quote Strangler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Personal Flotation Device
    Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 11:20pm
From Hornet Mainsheet Nov 2007
If you have attended any international events in
the last couple of years you may have undergone
the buoyancy test. No, not a dunking stool for
crews, a check of your buoyancy aid by event
measurers. And like most things this practice
may well filter down to domestic events very
soon. So how do you avoid falling foul of the
rules?
The aid must conform to the correct Standard. In
Europe this is EN393, introduced in 1994,
superceded by the more rigorous BS EN ISO
12402-5 in 2006.
The standard requires the aid to meet a 50 Newton
requirement but in the wacky world of standards
a 50 Newton aid is not necessarily 50N.
The standard permits a reduction in buoyancy for
lower body weights—too much buoyancy can be a
hindrance in dinghy sailing. A size Small will be
40N or 45N depending on manufacturer and their
recommended weight for that size.
The ISAF website says: RECOMMENDATION - EN
393, 50N - BS EN ISO 12402-5
Typical SIAll
competitors shall wear personal flotation devices
at all times whilst racing. The devices
should be in good condition and in accordance
with the current specifications issued or approved
by a National Authority affiliated to the International
Sailing Federation, or a Standards Organisation
or Certification Authority recognised for
that purpose by its respective government.
Some older aids may just say CE 50 Newton
buoyancy aid. This appears to be currently accepted
by measurers. The aid must also be in
reasonable condition ie. still function properly and
the label must be legible showing the above info.
So check your equipment and add it to your
birthday pressy list if necessary.
Just one more thing; flexible foams, like all manmade
plastics including neoprene in wetsuits and
tyres, and polyesters and nylons in ropes, have
plasticizers which degrade over time and so the
product goes hard; In the case of foam, it starts
to crumble. So, if you have a buoyancy aid or
trailer tyres more than 5-6 years old, especially
if they’ve been used in warm, sunny conditions,
they will have reduced flexibility and performance,
so that’s another reason to extend your
pressy list!
I am amazed by the number of people I see still
sailing with the old air-filled aids with the sausage
strings of air cells [ banned for racing. Ed] all totally
deflated from rolling their boats on them or
using them for cushions on the beach, or so old
they’ve gone hard and cracked, (the aid that is),
but still expecting them to do the job they were
designed for!
Back to Top
L123456 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 30 Apr 12
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 500
Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 10:53pm
Originally posted by Andymac

[
Although nowhere does it 'qualify' what 'approved' means or by who?

That is the key ... Poorly written rule there ...
Back to Top
Andymac View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Apr 07
Location: Derbyshire
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 852
Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 8:30pm
Originally posted by 2547

Rule from my club si's

No mention of 50n

3.2. Personal buoyancy: Personal Floatation Devices (PFD) must be worn by competitors at all
times afloat. Wet suits and dry suits are not personal buoyancy and will not satisfy this
instruction.
 
Ditto;

7.1 With the exception of windsurfers, who must comply with separate RYA

recommendations, personal buoyancy in the form of an approved buoyancy aid or alternatively

for cruiser sailors and power boat crews, an automatically inflated life jacket, must be worn at

all times when afloat or on the pontoons. The wearing of waders or non-sailing Wellington

boots is prohibited when sailing. Members should note that automatically inflated life jackets

are not suitable for dingy sailing.

There is another bit about wetsuits/drysuits not constituting Personal bouyancy aid.
Although nowhere does it 'qualify' what 'approved' means or by who?
Back to Top
2547 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 Aug 11
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1151
Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 5:41pm
Rule from my club si's

No mention of 50n

3.2. Personal buoyancy: Personal Floatation Devices (PFD) must be worn by competitors at all
times afloat. Wet suits and dry suits are not personal buoyancy and will not satisfy this
instruction.
Back to Top
yellowwelly View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2003
Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 3:16pm
I know some seppo kids had different PFDs for regatta sailing and college sailing when the US team came over to race our BUSA team in the late 90's- not sure which way around it was, but they had some bulky sh*t to wear at some point that they all hated.
Back to Top
JimC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 17 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6662
Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 3:09pm
My understanding is that the RRS are deliberately on the vague side because in many countries there's national legislation which covers the subject. UK sailors have much more freedom than US ones, for instance: AIUI the seppos have all sorts of legislation which is enforced by their coastguards.

You also need to read those rules with yachts in mind as well as, perhaps even more so than dinghies.

Edited by JimC - 10 Jun 13 at 3:13pm
Back to Top
yellowwelly View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2003
Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 3:06pm
I signed a disclaimer when I re-joined as a windsurfer.... not obliged to wear one windsurfing, I can only assume that RRS would apply when racing, and as there is no stipulation as to what qualifies as a PFD, the impact vest would technically be acceptable- even if in procuring it, it hasn't bumped up any revenues for a chandlery.
Back to Top
Rupert View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 11 Aug 04
Location: Whitefriars sc
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 8956
Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 2:52pm
What about your club rules? 
Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
Back to Top
yellowwelly View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 24 May 13
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2003
Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 2:40pm
a very quick glance through the Solo rules doesn't seem to mention PFDs.

looks like I'm okay with that impact vest after all.
Back to Top
robin34024 View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king
Avatar

Joined: 03 Jan 12
Location: Lincoln
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 116
Post Options Post Options   Quote robin34024 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 13 at 2:14pm
In the topper SI's they always had 'adequate personal buoyancy aid of no less than 50N'. I think most clubs have it in their constitution as well.

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy