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    Posted: 31 May 13 at 6:27pm
Some years ago now we were taking part in an inter club (5 clubs) handicap race. 3 starts as I remember, us in the medium fleet. Our fleet had a general recall, no problem I thought I'll just line up for the next start. The gun went off, we had a bad start and we were soon in filthy air. Now matter what I did we fell further back until we were spat out the back......Oh misery.

When we finally got ashore and looked at the results we had won the medium fleet race Confused

....it transpired that we had started with the fast boats and our correct fleet started after them. By the time we had been spat out the back of the fast fleet we were just ahead of the medium fleet. Our Club  team urged me to keep quiet because we needed the points, I did fess up though.


......so it's true, a race is a box of chocolates.
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The course plays a big part in it too.  When we get a 'good course' with some longish beats and deep downwind sections, there are opportunities for the risks to pay (and seriously screw you too).  Whereas a naff course, maybe a bit fetch, or lopsided, can turn any race into a bit of a procession, where really the tactical options are far more limited.  

Sometimes I guess you just have to accept the start is the only 'competitive' bit you're likely to see from a race... but hey, could be worse, you could be in a shopping mall.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 13 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by Fraggle

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[---]Never give up, you never know what will happen. 


The best part of sail racing and why it's held my attention all these years.

Nice stories Fraggle.

Had a few like that myself over the years and they are the sweetest victories when they happen.
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I'm a great believer in taking risks after an awful start.  If you are in last you can't get any worse so its worth a punt.  I've got lucky on several races this way, couple of examples.
 
Poole Laser Open I hit a boat on start line, did my 720 at 5 sec after start which meant I was last by some margin.  Entire fleet had gone left (paid massively previous race) so I went right as no point going same way.  I actually rounded first mark in second place as no one (including me) had noticed tide had turned and I benefitted massively by being in the stronger tide.
 
Massive balls up on start line at Mudeford Open.  By time I actually started rest of fleet half way up first beat.  I took a risk by going over the shallows (never actually allowed boat to go flat) and caught up - finished second in that race.
 
When there is nothing to lose its worth a shot.  Also in lasers (and I guess other classes) the fleet do tend to be sheep and just follow the leader.  Even if leader goes the unfavoured side so will most of the fleet so there are usually options if you have the guts to go your own way.
 
Never give up, you never know what will happen.  Find a clear lane, hike hard and keep your head out of the boat.
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Originally posted by fab100

That reminds me of John Oakeley's advice in his book "Winning"

Q: what do you do if you are catching up with a known, inveterate luffer
A: let someone overtake me and let luffer have them instead, at which you pass both

As long as its not the last leg ....

I like the story (from Rodney P I believe) of the two FDs where the guy behind fake luffs each time the guy in front looks back, making him think he's out-pointing him and thus eventually stalling his own craft and letting the guy behind through to leeward 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote fab100 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 13 at 5:52pm
That reminds me of John Oakeley's advice in his book "Winning"

Q: what do you do if you are catching up with a known, inveterate luffer
A: let someone overtake me and let luffer have them instead, at which you pass both
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I think it sometimes depends on whether the race is in a series where you are in contention.
If a middling score is likely to be useful, you should be more conservative, while if it's a stand alone race, you can take risks as 10 place is much the same as 5th place when it comes to prizes.
If you take risks and it doesn't pay, try to recover something from the day by trying out different settings or techniques that you don't want to try when you are in front.
If you end up coming last, but you've learned something and enjoyed an hour forgetting about work, that's not so bad.
Other than that, try to get into clear air and the best tide as soon as possible.
Pay close attention to shifts,
Don't throw away small gains hoping for a big gain, you only need a small gain on each lap to make up for a sizeable deficit at the first mark.
Don't get into pointless duels with slower boats! Try to sail around pairs of boats that are engaged in covering each other.
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The key to recovery is in the following I believe, be calm (easier said than done) be decisive (tack, foot..) execute.

Any time wasted not following that principle is distance given away at a very high rate.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 13 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by iGRF

The very last boat I'd choose for the lake would be an RS100, total waste of space, having said that, you'd end up good at sailing it if not achieving anything else, you'd certainly never podium.

Err - sorry about this, but I do 'podium'. Regularly. Not quite as often as I would in the Laser perhaps, but probably not a dis-similar proportion to when I sailed a 200, even tho you can carry the kite higher in that when the need arises. This includes sailing the 10.2 off 992
And please don't suggest my clubmates cannot therefore sail. Frensham Pond is a pretty high-standard club
Monday, for example, was extremely gusty with huge shifts and I was seriously overpowered up wind in the gusts (and would have been in the 8.4 or in a laser). I won by 12 secs in the afternoon, beating a laser I would have had a great duel with if i'd sailed mine. In a pursuit in the morning, I was first dinghy, 3rd, but could not reach the 2.4s
So I can compete, Graeme thinks he can't. But impossibility theory disproven


I wasn't talking about you and your lake, Frensham is like the Ocean compared to Redoubt, I won a few club races in it at Hythe, then using the 10.2 in light winds, I could probably give you a run for your money.
I'd never do that on the Redoubt. Then they are not like racing against Frensham Sailing School for the Blind.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 13 at 12:14pm
Annex the SIs and not worry about it ;-)

Back OT - I found the start even more critical on the 100- without clear air and a clear first kite leg, you'd get trapped in a pack without necessarily the space to pick your best course for the late hoist / early drop conundrum.

Edited by pondmonkey - 29 May 13 at 3:18pm
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