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    Posted: 23 Feb 13 at 4:22pm
I see there were two Sunfish sailing at the Steve Nicholson

With sail numbers 550 and 551 I wonder if they were they sporting Speed Sail tape drive sails?
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Originally posted by 2547

That is interesting ... thanks for that.

I wonder why the USA has fallen out of love with sailing dinghies?

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That is interesting ... thanks for that.

I wonder why the USA has fallen out of love with sailing dinghies?
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Chris 249

Earlier there were a few posts about Sunfish numbers. A few years ago Steve Clark, one of the partners in the manufacturer of the Laser and Sunfish, noted in an email to me that the Sunfish still outsold the Laser in the USA. Steve's integrity and information seem to be beyond doubt

 

Granted but there are very few of them around in the worlds biggest dinghy market, Europe.

Well that got me interested, so I did some checking.

The thing is that when the Sunfish was booming, Europe was probably NOT the world's biggest market. The USA was a much richer place than Europe in those days, and dinghy sailing was doing very nicely there, and the Sunfish was leading the boom.

Sir Peter Johnson, for example, put Sunfish numbers are 140,000 in 1974, with only 10,000 outside the USA. Most of them came after '58 when the GRP version was introduced. He does note that the number of wood kit versions to hit the water cannot be estimated accurately, but that probably applies to Mirrors, Ents etc. 

Johnson says that in 1974, the most popular classes were (in order) the Sunfish, the earlier Sailfish ancestor, the Opti, Mirror, 420, Snipe, Laser, Ent, Vaurien, OK, Lightning, GP, 470 and Flying Junior.

Johnson lists 8 of the top classes (about 150,000 boats) as mainly UK or European based, 5 of them (240,000 boats) as mainly US, and the Laser and Opti as "everywhere". So those figures show US dinghy sailing to be bigger.

The Dinghy Year Book for 1963 says that the most popular UK classes where the Ent (7,000 registered boats, with 2,503 having certificates), GP 14 (4,640, with 3.108 certified), Heron (3.500/1000), Cadet (3,500), 12 (2000/1,400) and Firefly (1,802 certs).

An article in the same source says that the USA had 8,000 Lightnings, about 12,000 Snipes, and numerous other classes in the 1000-700 bracket.

Sports Illustrated said in '82 that the 200,000th Sunfish had been sold a year or two before, and  that "the average production has been close to 10,000 a year for almost 20 years. The highest figure was 15,000-plus in 1974, the low just over 7,000 during the recession of the mid-1970s. What with this year's economic woes, the total probably won't rise above 7,000 either."  These figures tally well with Johnson's.

So it seems that the Sunfish claims sit conform to each other pretty well over some time, which is certainly not always the case (for example I think the figures that Hobie give in ISAF class report are contradictory). 

Sorry for the rather confused post, but I'm jotting down info as I find it.


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Originally posted by Chris 249

Earlier there were a few posts about Sunfish numbers. A few years ago Steve Clark, one of the partners in the manufacturer of the Laser and Sunfish, noted in an email to me that the Sunfish still outsold the Laser in the USA. Steve's integrity and information seem to be beyond doubt

 

Granted but there are very few of them around in the worlds biggest dinghy market, Europe.
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Given that the Sunfish was massively popular even back in 1959, when Ian Proctor was over in the USA as a journo, and it even inspired him to design the Minisail, I can well believe that 250,000 of then existed. I suspect many of them are now in the big boatyard in the sky.

But just because it is the most numerous, doesn't make it a favourite, neccessarily. As someone said, a person's favourite boat can be something they would never even aspire to sailing, like the 18' skiff.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Feb 13 at 12:27am

Earlier there were a few posts about Sunfish numbers. A few years ago Steve Clark, one of the partners in the manufacturer of the Laser and Sunfish, noted in an email to me that the Sunfish still outsold the Laser in the USA. Steve's integrity and information seem to be beyond doubt.

The Sunfish has been around for a lot longer than the Laser or H16 and was being sold in big numbers well before the Opti took off. Its quoted numbers have been around for a long while and IIRC they are pretty consistent with it being enormously popular earlier on (as is evidenced by a lot of old mass-media stuff about the class).
 
 
 
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I just done mine too
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Hi Craiggo,

That is a great idea, thank you very much! I hadn't considered it like that, it also means I wouldn't have to scrap what I have written so far.

Many thanks!

Best wishes,

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Max,

As kindacks has inferred I would tread very carefully and re-consider your project.
Academic assessors are becoming increasingly stringent in their marking. In order to get good grades, your assignment needs to have a clear question. You then need to do suitable research. This can, as you have done take the form of questionnaires but also ensure you use structured or unstructured interviews, focus groups if possible and always ensure that you cite suitable references from credible academic works.
You then need to be able to pull all the inputs together to give a well argued solution or answer and then follow that up with ideas for how you will measure the success or what you will now be able to do with or as a result of the answer.

I might be oversimplifiying and doing you a diservice, but I get the impression that you have written about the classes you have either sailed or know a little about, and then you want the questionnaire results to suggest which was best and then you will explain why in your opinion this is so. Frankly thats not going to win you many academic prizes, sorry!

One piece of advice, I got when studying for a postgrad diploma a few years ago. Try to start you question with the word, "Should...".

So in your case something along the lines of,"Should dinghy development target the historic popular classes?"

A title like this gives you the opportunity to evaluate peoples favourites, explore some history (suitable literature ie. Uffa Fox et al, get the boatbuilder/developers views (perhaps get some marketing insight from Martin Wadhams at LDC)) and add in your own opinions to provide a sensible argument to your answer.

I wish you best of luck.

Edited by craiggo - 11 Feb 13 at 8:51pm
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