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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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and where are the cvrda Nationals this year? My own club Hunts SC! The club is really looking forward to hosting the event simply because of its friendly 'fun first' nature, and a large percentage of the turnout will be from home boats. There will be lots of youngsters tarting themselves as crews around the boats which are always hugely admired, and a real family feel to the weekend.
The other thing we do a lot of at Hunts is coached racing, for both youngsters and adults. Largely done on a Saturday morning this has proved really successful in helping people take the next step into club racing on Sundays, and some seasoned racers even use it for their own training (imagine that, club racers training!) Our next event is asymetric race training on New Year's Eve, with ten boats booked in and three caoches afloat - not bad for our little place! Edited by winging it - 24 Dec 12 at 9:03am |
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patj ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 16 Jul 04 Location: Wiltshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 643 |
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We may be derided here as "wood bothers" but the cvrda events are the closest I know to this sportive ethos. It's about getting out and sailing the old boats and although racing is the main thing since we're about racing dinghies, there's always the encouragement and welcome for those who aren't racing seriously. All those old boats that are oddballs at clubs have a welcome too - the "Lost classes".
The Saturday race of the Nationals is more of a fun race - in the past we've had "trasure hunts" or round the lake (whichever direction you like) races plus a sail past for photo opportunities. That sort of thing could work for clubs too. I'd like to see more classes encouraging members to join in with the older, cheaper boats that aren't competitive in the main fleet. When we started sailing together at the club we both had old Larks and went and joined in a Lark class training event which was a huge encouragement and taught us loads. We then went on to get a more modern competitive Lark and sail opens and support the class. Everyone has to start somewhere and classes could capitalise on that. You don't have to spend a fortune to start sailing. Edited by patj - 24 Dec 12 at 7:31am |
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Caveman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 17 Sep 11 Location: Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 64 |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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If there is a market for a different style of sailing event, that does not mean you have to offer less competitive racing.
In our club, if they put anything that is not competitive racing in the calendar, less people turn up. Some clubs run dinghy 'rallies' to neighbouring clubs or the beach, sometimes it works, but support from boat owners who don't race much seems to be low. It's really irritating when there's some novelty event in the calendar and the wind turns out to be great for a normal race, too much for those the event was designed around. There used to be things like the round Hayling Race, ideal for not taking seriously I'd have thought, like the yots do with the IoW. But I think it has just withered away. What may be missing is an attitude that says it's an achievement just to get out and race, if you finish, that's a bonus, every person you beat is a bonus. Clubs can only nurture that way of thinking so much, the rest has to come from the competitors. Some clubs and classes are better than others at supporting and encouraging tail enders. I got back into dinghies because a yacht was too much commitment, for the first year we were hoplelessly behind, but we enjoyed slowly improving. Now we are in the pack of the club fleet and still enjoying and learning. We go to a Nationals and look rubbish, but hopefully it makes us slightly better club sailors. Sports like running, 95% of the people doing 10k's or whatever don't have the ghost of a chance of being anywhere near the leaders, but they still enjoy it. |
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My feeling is that the calendar is saturated with competitive racing, and as we're failing to introduce new sailors to racing whilst currently there aren't enough 'racers' to go around (falling club turnouts). Maybe it's not that the racing is poor that we get low turnouts, maybe we've just out supplied demand! A possible solution could be to reduce competitive sailing and focus on developing new 'customers' through a series that develops new racers from new sailors. Solution from another sport?? The cycle sportive has become very popular
in recent years. It’s a semi competitive allowing the more competitive to
‘secretly race’ and gives everyone an excuse of ‘just a bit of fun’ as a safety
net for failure. It allows people to focus on positive moments from the event
without results to knock the shine of any perceived achievement. Showing
someone their result so they can see just how far behind they were does little
to encourage them when their only goal was completing the course! The sportive rewards only participation
however is similar enough in format (follows a course, has start and finish,
get used to cycling with others around) to a race to give confidence for
progressing to true races. Could sailing clubs increase new people into the sport of racing dinghies by running non-competitive events that allow people to practice the skills needed to race in a purposely designed event? Do clubs need more events that shout 'this event is for the non-competitive wanting to have ago and the more competitive can join in should they wish', rather than our current system which says 'this is competitive racing, novices join at their own risk'. This wouldn't just be for newcomers, but also the experienced, who just want to practice without pressure. This is something we are looking into at my club, but we're struggling to decide the specifics of how a 'sportive series' be run? p.s. Boardman are their own brand. They had an exclusivity agreement with Halfords when they started. I believe they're sold in other bike shops now. I don't see what the mega has to do with whether a brand is trash or not, their bikes are ridden by quite a few pros in mtb xc and the brownlee brothers in tri. |
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bustinben ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 15 Oct 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 288 |
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Absolute rubbish. Why is chris boardman stood next to it in his video? Why don't halfords sell that model if they make the boardman mountain bikes? Anyway I don't care about mountain bikes, it's a noddy sport. Anyone who's decent at it ends up on a road bike ;) And you've ignored the fact that top end athletes DO use their bikes. Who are these guys? Edited by bustinben - 13 Dec 12 at 6:40pm |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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It's boring, slow, expensive, hard work, stuffy, elitist, time consuming, over burdened with rules, confusing and riddled with personality disordered individuals, whats there not to like?!
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tryinghard ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 03 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 42 |
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As somebody who didn't start sailing until late in life, I would say that there are two things that prevent people joining the sport as adults.
1. The RYA seems completely orientated towards a system of getting children to the standard that they can win medals. Adult training and progression is an afterthought run by enthusiastic amateurs. 2. The sheer number of classes available to sail dilutes the numbers of people who continue in the sport. There is no standard boat used for training at club level and people fresh out of training have a bewildering selection of classes to choose from. Most club racing is handicap to accommodate the number of classes. Most class open meetings only have a relatively small number of people attending yet there are loads of opens every weekend. I have cold so this may all be rubbish. Paul
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Glad we have that sorted - how did it take us all these pages to boil things down to 11 words of truth? |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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You don't we don't sell to dinghy sailors, they're not cool, not good for the image, Boardman, boardman is good, go to Halfords they'll look after you... ![]() Edited by iGRF - 13 Dec 12 at 2:58pm |
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