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    Posted: 24 Dec 12 at 9:02am
and where are the cvrda Nationals this year?  My own club Hunts SC!  The club is really looking forward to hosting the event simply because of its friendly 'fun first' nature, and a large percentage of the turnout will be from home boats.  There will be lots of youngsters tarting themselves as crews around the boats which are always hugely admired, and a real family feel to the weekend.

The other thing we do a lot of at Hunts is coached racing, for both youngsters and adults.  Largely done on a Saturday morning this has proved really successful in helping people take the next step into club racing on Sundays, and some seasoned racers even use it for their own training (imagine that, club racers training!)  Our next event is asymetric race training on New Year's Eve, with ten boats booked in and three caoches afloat - not bad for our little place!


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the same, but different...

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We may be derided here as "wood bothers" but the cvrda events are the closest I know to this sportive ethos. It's about getting out and sailing the old boats and although racing is the main thing since we're about racing dinghies, there's always the encouragement and welcome for those who aren't racing seriously. All those old boats that are oddballs at clubs have a welcome too - the "Lost classes".

The Saturday race of the Nationals is more of a fun race - in the past we've had "trasure hunts" or round the lake (whichever direction you like) races plus a sail past for photo opportunities. That sort of thing could work for clubs too.

I'd like to see more classes encouraging members to join in with the older, cheaper boats that aren't competitive in the main fleet. When we started sailing together at the club we both had old Larks and went and joined in a Lark class training event which was a huge encouragement and taught us loads. We then went on to get a more modern competitive Lark and sail opens and support the class. Everyone has to start somewhere and classes could capitalise on that. You don't have to spend a fortune to start sailing.


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

It's boring, slow, expensive, hard work, stuffy, elitist, time consuming, over burdened with rules, confusing and riddled with personality disordered individuals, whats there not to like?!


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If there is a market for a different style of sailing event, that does not mean you have to offer less competitive racing.
In our club, if they put anything that is not competitive racing in the calendar, less people turn up.
Some clubs run dinghy 'rallies' to neighbouring clubs or the beach, sometimes it works, but support from boat owners who don't race much seems to be low.
It's really irritating when there's some novelty event in the calendar and the wind turns out to be great for a normal race, too much for those the event was designed around.

There used to be things like the round Hayling Race, ideal for not taking seriously I'd have thought, like the yots do with the IoW. But I think it has just withered away.

What may be missing is an attitude that says it's an achievement just to get out and race, if you finish, that's a bonus, every person you beat is a bonus. Clubs can only nurture that way of thinking so much, the rest has to come from the competitors. Some clubs and classes are better than others at supporting and encouraging tail enders.

I got back into dinghies because a yacht was too much commitment, for the first year we were hoplelessly behind, but we enjoyed slowly improving. Now we are in the pack of the club fleet and still enjoying and learning. We go to a Nationals and look rubbish, but hopefully it makes us slightly better club sailors.

Sports like running, 95% of the people doing 10k's or whatever don't have the ghost of a chance of being anywhere near the leaders, but they still enjoy it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 12 at 7:28pm
My feeling is that the calendar is saturated with competitive racing, and as we're failing to introduce new sailors to racing whilst currently there aren't enough 'racers' to go around (falling club turnouts). Maybe it's not that the racing is poor that we get low turnouts, maybe we've just out supplied demand! A possible solution could be to reduce competitive sailing and focus on developing new 'customers' through a series that develops new racers from new sailors.  

Solution from another sport??

The cycle sportive has become very popular in recent years. It’s a semi competitive allowing the more competitive to ‘secretly race’ and gives everyone an excuse of ‘just a bit of fun’ as a safety net for failure. It allows people to focus on positive moments from the event without results to knock the shine of any perceived achievement. Showing someone their result so they can see just how far behind they were does little to encourage them when their only goal was completing the course!

The sportive rewards only participation however is similar enough in format (follows a course, has start and finish, get used to cycling with others around) to a race to give confidence for progressing to true races.

Could sailing clubs increase new people into the sport of racing dinghies by running non-competitive events that allow people to practice the skills needed to race in a purposely designed event?

Do clubs need more events that shout 'this event is for the non-competitive wanting to have ago and the more competitive can join in should they wish', rather than our current system which says 'this is competitive racing,  novices join at their own risk'.

This wouldn't just be for newcomers, but also the experienced, who just want to practice without pressure. 

This is something we are looking into at my club, but we're struggling to decide the specifics of how a 'sportive series' be run?

p.s. Boardman are their own brand. They had an exclusivity agreement with Halfords when they started. I believe they're sold in other bike shops now. I don't see what the mega has to do with whether a brand is trash or not, their bikes are ridden by quite a few pros in mtb xc and the brownlee brothers in tri. 

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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by bustinben



You are aware that boardman bikes won two olympic medals, and even without that they have an excellent reputation as a quality bike manufacturer?
But if you can't see past the fact that halfords stock them, so be it.


Boardman is a name Halfords use on their own brand bike, like Tesco's own label.

Hopefully they pay Boardman well for using his name.

However, it doesn't make them good enough to take up a real mountain and expect the suspension to hold out or the brakes not to fade, or the frame not to crack when you take the kind of hits you jump and drop during a typical descent. A descent that can last over an hour of continuous stress.

So riders that do that sort of big mountain free ride, build their own bikes and the last company they would trust to have anything to do with their bike would be Halfords.

There is no sailing comparison really, were that there were a sailing Halfords, it would boost the entry level of the sport, but even if there were, I doubt that top end sailors would use the sort of craft they might sell.


Absolute rubbish.



Why is chris boardman stood next to it in his video?  Why don't halfords sell that model if they make the boardman mountain bikes?

Anyway I don't care about mountain bikes, it's a noddy sport.  Anyone who's decent at it ends up on a road bike ;)

And you've ignored the fact that top end athletes DO use their bikes.  Who are these guys?




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It's boring, slow, expensive, hard work, stuffy, elitist, time consuming, over burdened with rules, confusing and riddled with personality disordered individuals, whats there not to like?!
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As somebody who didn't start sailing until late in life, I would say that there are two things that prevent people joining the sport as adults.

1. The RYA seems completely orientated towards a system of getting children to the standard that they can win medals. Adult training and progression is an afterthought run by enthusiastic amateurs.

2. The sheer number of classes available to sail dilutes the numbers of people who continue in the sport. There is no standard boat used for training at club level and people fresh out of training have a bewildering selection of classes to choose from. Most club racing is handicap to accommodate the number of classes. Most class open meetings only have a relatively small number of people attending yet there are loads of opens every weekend.

I have cold so this may all be rubbish.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Dec 12 at 3:48pm
Originally posted by SoggyBadger

  Most people have no interest in boats and never will have.


Glad we have that sorted - how did it take us all these pages to boil things down to 11 words of truth?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Dec 12 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by johnreekie1980

Ahh Grumph is the distributor of a 160mm travel full suspension mount of which there are a lot more than ten companies in the world producing a similar spec machine. A truly innovative product:) Were do i sign.
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You don't we don't sell to dinghy sailors, they're not cool, not good for the image, Boardman, boardman is good, go to Halfords they'll look after you...

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