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    Posted: 22 Nov 12 at 2:11pm
The MR forum has moved on to more important matters now: Sex on the foredeck

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Originally posted by Peaky

There's nothing to stop you building a boat to Passing Cloud lines, or even designing a new improvd Merlin, but to try and claim it is a vintage boat because you've used an old screw is pathetic.
 
Of course you can build one, but what the point if you're desire is to race with other, similar designed Merlins. I understand why people might immediately feel that the whole affair stinks, but if you think about the conseqences, the only path not letting new builds in is oblivion. Wooden boats don't last forever. Much better to set up a transparent structure which deals with the situation, gets MORE people in to support a scene which clearly has an appeal!
 
BTW - I'm talking about new builds build to a vintage design, not 'claiming to have a vintage boat because you've used an old screw'
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reminds me of that only fools and horses scene when Trigger claims that he's had his road sweeper's broom for 20 years. But then he adds that the broom has had 17 new heads and 14 new handles. 
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As an expert on Merlin Rocket forum behaviour I can confirm that this sort of thing happens every winter - as the open meeting circuit dies off and people have more time, they turn to crazy inventions or wild rule interpretation. Nothing ever comes of it, other than many enjoyable hours arguing online!

I confess it is interesting to work out how far you are technically allowed to rebuild an old boat with rotten planks, replacing with new wood, and still consider it the same boat. But in real life, no-one is planning to do this in the wild ways discussed in theory. In our hearts, everyone knows where 'the line' is.
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Don't the classic yacht sailors call it "Spirit of Tradition" or some such? Can't see why you couldn't have such a catagory if the demand is there. 
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Originally posted by rogerd

Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by gordon

Possibly. But when "pushing the rules in the heat of battle" becomes normal behaviour I feel that the consequences for the sport are greater than some sad attempt at winning a minor prize with an expensive replica boat. Especially when by "pushing the rules" one means deliberately breaking the rules, as often happens. 

I think that tells us the protest procedure is unsatisfactory. 
 
In a self policing sport???

But protesting is so heavy going no one bothers so rule breakers get away with it. Plus in my experience the outcome of a protest is 50/50 as the rule breakers often present very different facts leaving the committee with a tough job trying to get to the truth. 
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Originally posted by Peaky

There's nothing to stop you building a boat to Passing Cloud lines, or even designing a new improvd Merlin, but to try and claim it is a vintage boat because you've used an old screw is pathetic.
 
I agree. Its allowed in Classic cars but if you did it in the antiques business that would be regarded as fraud.
 
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There's nothing to stop you building a boat to Passing Cloud lines, or even designing a new improvd Merlin, but to try and claim it is a vintage boat because you've used an old screw is pathetic.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote hum3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 12 at 9:04pm
Originally posted by 2547

Just look like good health debate. 
Why would anyone want to do this anyway, it would generate no respect from your fellow sailors.
Where is the satisfaction in winning by bending a rule well beyond the spirit!


Hang on...

Is it fair that someone lucky enough to own a Passing Cloud (or whatever design) will always have that 'Passing Cloud advantage' because no one will ever be allowed to build another? IMV the vintage racing was started to keep interest in the old boats alive. Surely this is the perfectly logical result of the success of the plan. You could quite easily amend the existing rules to handicap new builds into the vintage racing scene. The originals will always have the desirability...
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by gordon

Possibly. But when "pushing the rules in the heat of battle" becomes normal behaviour I feel that the consequences for the sport are greater than some sad attempt at winning a minor prize with an expensive replica boat. Especially when by "pushing the rules" one means deliberately breaking the rules, as often happens. 

I think that tells us the protest procedure is unsatisfactory. 
 
In a self policing sport???
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