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    Posted: 14 May 11 at 2:05pm
Heres the situation,
At a standard start line theres one boat (A) head to wind, sitting there waiting for the start whistle so she can bear away to starboard and start sailing.
 
As the whistle blows, Boat A bears away and starts to accelerate.
  At the same time that Boat A Bears away, Boat (B) is on port tack at speed and a collision occurrs. Ouch
Boat A protests B for not keeping clear when overtaking and Boat B protests A for tacking onto his course.
Who would be penalised? This happened to me and I was Boat B, I got penalised even though I was sure i was in the right. Confused
 
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It sounds to me like you were in the wrong to be honest without lots more information.
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I would have though Boat A was at fault beacuse he had a choice on which tack to take and chose a collision course.
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I have real problems with you description of the incident (maybe the protest committee did too  Wink). If A is on starboard and B is on port then overtaking is irrelevant. Your only possible chance of winning a protest would have been to argue that A didn't give you room/opportunity to keep clear before he/she altered course. 

Edited by SoggyBadger - 14 May 11 at 10:34pm
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Oop's LOL  Boat B was on a starboard tack too
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Right, if you were both on starboard then the other boat was windward boat and required to keep clear by the sound of it. Overtaking has nothing to do with it, you're either overlapped or you're not.


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Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

It sounds to me like you were in the wrong to be honest without lots more information.
 
I agree, we need lots more information.
If as you added, you were 'also' on starboard, then I'd be inclined to put all my money on boat A being in the wrong.
Had you been on port there would still be a very good chance on boat A being in the wrong...
Note; boat A could only be considered to be 'starboard' tack if had reached 'head to wind' by luffing up from a starboard tack course. If boat A was head to wind from port, then would not have any rights until established a 'close hauled' starboard course and then only on port tack boats.
We do need to establish boat A's rights, and whether in changing course it initially gave room for 'keep clear' boats to do just that.
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Oh, and if boat A was moving backwards at the time by backing its sail then again, it will have forfeited all rights.
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Indeed. The other things requiring consideration are whether you could have avoided the collision, and whether you gave the other boat the opportunity to keep clear.
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I am assuming a lot here....
 
A is the windward boat and was sitting head to wind on the start line (why they would sit 'head to wind' I do not know, perhaps they were lying to)
 
B was Leeward and established an overlap at which point A must keep clear
 
B was sailing a close hauled course and did not alter course
 
However if A was stationery then B has to give A enough time to react, this does include bearing away to get the boat moving so they can keep clear (I am pretty sure there is an ISAF case that covers this).
 
What you have not also given are the realtive points of sail leading up to and during the incident..
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