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    Posted: 27 Sep 09 at 10:09am

Hi, if I drift onto a bouy whilst capsized, ie with the mast inthe water--- is that an infringement ?

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Yes, whilst a boat is racing., rule 31 Touching a mark applies So if you touch the starting mark before starting, a mark that begins, bounds or ends a leg of the course which you are sailing or a finishing mark after finishing, then you must take a penalty.

Attention, there may still be classes in which class rules deem that a boat whose masthead touched the water has retired. It is in the standard SIs for team racing for instance.

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Originally posted by gordon


Attention, there may still be classes in which class rules deem that a boat whose masthead touched the water has retired. It is in the standard SIs for team racing for instance.

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Well I never knew that.

I'm intrigued to know which classes have ever (or still have) that rule?
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International 14s. It is also in the standard UKTRA team racing SIs


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It also depends if you are at an RS event, where touching of the marks is permitted.
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Only at class events if it is written into the SIs. The act of buying an RS boat does not give a general dispensation from the RRS!

The RS modification of rule 31 (which allows you to touch but not manhandle a mark) does not seem to have gained general acceptance outside RSworld.

Does anyone believe that it is a modification worth using, or does the modification just mean that mark roundings are even more indisiplined?

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Those of us who sometime sail around knarly barnacled navigation marks in a few knots of tide tend to view touching marks as a bad thing.
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Originally posted by gordon

Only at class events if it is written into the SIs. The act of buying an RS boat does not give a general dispensation from the RRS!

The RS modification of rule 31 (which allows you to touch but not manhandle a mark) does not seem to have gained general acceptance outside RSworld.

Does anyone believe that it is a modification worth using, or does the modification just mean that mark roundings are even more indisiplined?

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It's also not only used for RS boats. I have competed events where Laser 4000s and 5000s have been allowed to touch the marks (but oddly not the L2000s).  I don't understand why this is done
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Gordon, your right the modifications to the rule for RS boats only applies at RS events.

I have to say that being able to hit the marks in practice makes no difference at all to the way you sail as hitting the mark with the boat is slow.

However it does reduce the number of protests and turns as nobody is concerned if your back brushes the mark as you sail by.

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