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Hey all,

I'm on a fleet planning committe for a college sailing club in the States (Seattle,WA). Currently, we use Lasers as singlehand training boats, but we would like something more durable, i.e. something rotomolded. Given our requirement that a singlehand boat should have only one sail, we are finding that our choices are very limited.

So far we have only found one or two boats that fit our specs:

  • Topper Topaz Uno Race
  • RS Feva w/ XL mainsail only (no headsail)

We have ruled out Pico because, at 3.5m LOA, it's below our minimum spec of 3.65m.

So, any opinions on how a Topaz Uno Race compares with a Laser?

Is the RS Feva with the big main a possibility, or would there be too much weather helm? Anybody tried it?

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go for the feva it is a wicked boat and just right for the job! they are good because u can teach beginers in them but at the same time u can teach sailing with sipinnikersetc and they will be good for hireing out for people to club race with.  the only problem i have found with the feva is that when helming and going down wind with the spinni the hull steers very well so must be kept flat and when droping in the spinni flat is safe and dry. also the hulls do dent very easyly, we had an rs vision that didnt see the feva and the spinni pole of the vision went sraight though the feva.
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I’m obviously going to be a little bit biased because I sail a Topaz Uno Race, but I have sailed Lasers and Feva’s whilst on holiday last year so at least I’m in a position to make a comparison.  The Feva is very nice to sail, the XL version sails very well and is a lot more ‘grown-up’ than a Topaz as its got a proper tracked mast etc however I reckon that it’s best sailed by two as the jib and kite controls are quite far forward. Our local water used to have two Lasers in their hire fleet however they found them too fragile for the purpose and have increased their compliment of Topaz Unos instead. Whilst the Feva XL that I sailed had a kite, the Topaz Race can also be upgraded to a ‘Race X’ spec (which I’ve not sailed) which adds an asymmetric spinnaker. I’m not sure what the price comparisons are like in the USA but I reckon Topaz may well be cheaper to buy and possibly cheaper for spares as well – I hope that helps,

 

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Thanks for your answers gents.

Any other comments on these boats and how they might stack up against a Laser?

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I recently had a similiar dilema, find a single handed dingy, larger and mare capable than a laser but equally something that a rather average sailor could be challenged by.  Having considered all of the boats mentioned I elected for a RS VAREO, the Fevas (slightly bigger) brother.  It meets your requirement for I single sail but for training it is easy to get 2 (or 3) people in and allows for growth with a 'fun' sail up through the 'comp' sail and spinnaker.  It is also light enough for 1 person to haul out of the water!

 

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Aren't the Feva and Topaz essentially childrens boats?  The Feva in particular seems to be a modern Mirror.  The (full rig) Laser is for larger people.  I'm suprised you are comparing Fevas to Lasers, they seem to be aimed at different people.

If you're in the US, what about an Escape?

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and i do not think you can relly call that vareo the feves bigger brother that the vishon i think as they are for to diffrent thing

vareo one man fast with out a trap racing

 

feve to get young people in to sailing and as a 2 man racig boat for kids

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Think long and hard before ditching the Lasers in favour of a rotomoulded boat if durability is what you're after. You still have to look after a rotomoulded boat!

With a glassfibre boat, you can do repairs yourselves, and it sounds like from a sailing point of view, the laser is perfect. Be careful you don't compromise on the sailing performance just to satisfy your criteria for a rotomoulded boat, which in my opinion won't mean a whole lot less maintenance.

 

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Originally posted by Chew my RS

Aren't the Feva and Topaz essentially childrens boats?  The Feva in particular seems to be a modern Mirror. 

The Mirror isn't meant to be a childrens' boat...

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stick with the Laser unless you really have to make a change - nothing else offers those trained the opportunity to go race at their local clubs and find others there already (can't imagine there are many Vareo's or Topaz in the US?), Laser is international and there's tons of tuning, racing and other tips all over the place.  Want to make your Laser's last longer? here's a few tips:

1. go for a low friction insert at the bottom of the mast slot and wash them out regularly
2. apply duck tape (or fabric tape) around the gunwhale edge, bow and transom (helps stop cracking in collisions and doesn't look too bad)
3. avoid nice, expensive Harken block setups on training boats, a) they "walk" without notice, and b) you'll feel bad when they get trashed and have to be replaced
4. Fit a bigger rudder bolt
5. If you get an old boat, follow the tried & trusted Ed Baird advice and take off all the fittings before replacing with good dollops of sealant, and where you can reach (if inspection ports have been cut), decent backing washers and nuts

... if you're determined to change, go for a Vareo, no one interested in taking up or improving (their) sailing deserves to have the Topaz xxxxxx foistered upon them
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