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    Posted: 29 Apr 18 at 8:29am
We man up with:

Midweek racing - 7 people (2 x RIBs with helm and crew, and three in the committee boat/race but)
Sunday racing - 9 (as above plus 2 OODs to run the club)
Saturdays - 6 (no racing so as Sunday minus the race team)

Is it possible to manage with less?

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One.
Three, if you want a safety boat.
Four, if the RO wants a helper.
Can't see the need for more than that.
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At my inland small lake club, depending on conditions, 1 x OOD and 1 in safety boat, adverse conditions 2 in safety boat, most days their  are people milling about doing odd jobs, who are not sailing for various reasons, but obviously we can't rely on spare people, at least a third of members never do their duty, probably less than half are fully competent doing OOD duties, same with safety boat.
This hasn't changed in at least 5 years, we have regular training sessions, same people who don't turn up for duty, don't turn up for training or work party days, short of calling them in front of committee to justify their lack of commitment, can't see what else we can do.
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2 per safety boat and  1 or 2  on the commtittee boat ! as  if conditions are   reasonable on a contained water  the  'attendant' on the safety  boat could be the flag  person on the committee boat  during start  sequences   if the  race team want another pair of hands  ( 'driver'  of safety boat  stays with safety  boat (alongside   committee boat) / is  purely a spotter  - which is what they should be doing anyway ...

A safety bot is a not a safety boat  unless crewed with two people  or reasonable fitness  , one of whom is  dressed and equipped to enter  the water if necessary to preserve life or limb . 

a safety boats  should not be used as a fast tender  for the committee  either ( if  you are leaving the committee boat  anchored  between races  then it should have it;s own tender )


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It depends on so much... In particular whether you are prepared to abandon the race if needed. You need the right number of double manned safety boats for the conditions, water and size (and age) of fleet. Committee boat crew members can potentially double up as a safety boat crew provided they will abandon the race management if they are required in a safety boat role.

On a windy day I think that means minimum of two safety boats, so one is still patrolling while one is occupied, and a 5th person on the CB doing the race recording. One of the safety crew doubles on CB for starts, maybe finishes too if available. If both safety boats are active during the start sequence then no start.

On a flat calm day with a small fleet *and no children* two people is all you need, because the only need for a safety boat will be a medical emergency, in which case the race will be abandoned.

If the crew is marginal the RC should seek volunteers from the sailors. If no-one volunteers to help out they can hardly complain if the race has to be abandoned because the alternative was not starting the race at all.

If the crew is inadequate: no race. This is important, because unless you are prepared to expel people who won't take their turn this is the key driver to get people to do their part.

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I believe JOG runs races for yachts with sometimes just one on the start box and nobody on the finish, take your own finish time. 

Boardsailors can run races entirely self-organised.

For my club for dinghies it would be minimum 3, one in the race box and 2 on a RIB. I have RO'd by myself, it is perfectly possible so long as not so many finish at once.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 18 at 12:08pm
My club does not use a committee boat, race run from caravan on quay, start is self policing if RO can't see start line.
ZippyRN,
I was under the impression safety boat crew never entered the water under any circumstances.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 18 at 3:50pm
Certainly Raceboards can run an adequately fair start on the water, designate one board as gate, he/she sails from start mark on port, the rest start between him and said mark. No handicap on Raceboards though. If you run handicap racing then you'll need somebody timekeeping and lap scoring. Safety cover depends on conditions and the age/competence of the participants.
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Three, one (the youngest and fittest)in the race box two old pensioners out freezing their butts in the rescue boat as i was today..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 18 at 4:19pm
Originally posted by 423zero

My club does not use a committee boat, race run from caravan on quay, start is self policing if RO can't see start line.
ZippyRN,
I was under the impression safety boat crew never entered the water under any circumstances.


They may have to for various reasons so should be prepared to get wet, but working from the boat is certainly the desired method. If someone drowned because I wasn't prepared to get wet to keep their head above water, I'm not sure I could rest easy afterwards.
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