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    Posted: 11 Jan 17 at 11:32am
Considering nearly 300 folk have been active on this forum since new years eve, not that you'd think it, what is it that folk do want to discuss?

How about in an ideal world what they'd like in a new boat?

Or of the current offerings and cash permitting what would you choose for the coming season and why?

Personally I quite fancy that new F101 if the side bits can be removed for the dinghy park, but it's currently out of my budget with two bathrooms and a bedroom to refurb this year. The other flight of fancy would be to ring up Hartleys and order a built right down to weight Contender Hull then put a redesigned rig on it with a short boom and long bottom batten windsurf style probably smaller sail with more twist so I could manage it in a breeze.

So that's me, how about you?
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Money no object for my bit of water - I'd like a 100, but slightly longer and slightly wider so it goes upwind a bit quicker and I could sail with the bigger main all the time.

Money no object and a big open bit of water - I'd like a MPS to sail all the time and 1 or 2 goes on a F101, or a i14 if I could find someone as flawed at sailing & crazy as me to sail with
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Well I really like the Hadron H2 which fits a niche that I think there is a market for, I enjoyed sailing it, and with a few personal tweaks it would be a lovely and rewarding boat own one.  If I lived somewhere without a strong one Design fleet racing alternative, I would have one in a flash.

Many years ago I tinkered with the idea of a hull, with a modular system that allowed you to swap from  single hander to two handed plus or minus trapeze and spinaker, we got so far as having a plug made.  The advantage was that you could mass produce hulls, with the rest of the fit out pretty much on interchangeable space frames.  This would allow you to sail in the configuration that suits your needs at any time.  I still think this concept has legs.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

 I still think this concept has legs.

Been tried a lot of times. The big problem is that the hull shape is inevitably compromised in every different configuration to allow for the others, so you end up with a boat that is second rate at everything.
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This year looks like being not very competitive racing from a beach.
So maybe I'd like something that moves on a little from the 400.
Less weight. Particularly aloft.
A rig which has more power in light air.
Easier to move around in light weather, easier to get weight forwards.
Does not turtle easily when capsized.
Easier to right, even from turtled.
Without of course losing any of the good points of the 400.

Unless there is some magic answer to the spinnaker paradox of needing a really big one to get away from the symmetrics who sail straight down the run and needing something not too big and fairly flat for tight reaches.Is twin kites a silly idea? Or a very silly idea?
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To somehow dramatically increase the sail area downwind on a single hander without having to resort to an asymmetric spinnaker. A furling main without too much weight I guess with it stored in the boom so what weight there is ain't up high
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

To somehow dramatically increase the sail area downwind on a single hander without...

Or alternatively to dramatically reduce power upwind without paying a big drag penalty over a smaller rig.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 17 at 2:48pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by maxibuddah

To somehow dramatically increase the sail area downwind on a single hander without...

Or alternatively to dramatically reduce power upwind without paying a big drag penalty over a smaller rig.

what leadminers call 'reefing'?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote KazRob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 17 at 6:40pm
Perhaps the question is not what does the world need in a new boat, but does the world need a new class? Seems to me that most bases are covered pretty well. There's always for instance people after a boat where you don't have to hike as much, but all that ever happens is someone comes along, hikes harder and goes faster etc etc
Perhaps what the world needs is cheaper, but longer lasting existing classes. If the Five-Oh (or FB) was half the price it would be hard to say it wasn't close to the perfect single wire, symmetric kite class. A class being 50yrs old shouldn't be looked as as being old hat, just mature, developed and worth lasting 50years. Other countries seem to be quite happy with a mere handful of classes compared to the UK, but there's no doubt the UK seems to enjoy the turnover in new designs.

As the song say, 'if you can't be with the one you love, love the one your with'
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Originally posted by KazRob

A class being 50yrs old shouldn't be looked as as being old hat,

Why not. We've learned a hell of a lot about hulls and rigs in the intervening period. Its still a lovely thing of its era, as is an Aston Martin DB4 say, but I'd still rather have a modern car for regular use.
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