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    Posted: 05 Nov 16 at 11:54am
Is handicap racing filling the gap?

From the the Regional Events thread and the post concerning the massive fall off in attendance according to the Y&Y tables.

This comes from a spreadsheet totalling all attendances, averaging them since 2000 and comparing this year with the mean and the peak which showes a 25% drop from the peak in 2011 and a 17% drop from the average attendance at these events which are largely class nationals.

Clearly something has happened since 2011 when the numbers peaked at 7496, the average for the period was 6800+ and this year was 5653 the lowest since 2000.

Why is it, what happened after 2011? Is it a general decline, no way we can know that since there doesn't appear to be any figures published for say handicap events or returns, is handicap racing taking over or is it also in decline, serious decline 25% in 5 yrs something a governing body should be concerned about particularly one that is meddling in that period.

What do we think is going on, obviously National Attendances are down, but are Handicap events up? Are there more returns going in?

Is it a shift or part of a general decline?
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What happened after 2011 is most of us got 5 years older....
A lot of things have ups and downs without any real solid cause.
Clubs around here still have a good level of support from kids as well as adults.

Unless you are running for RYA president or something, why worry about national averages and all that, just do what you can for your club(s) and your classes.
If everyone looks after their own bit, the average will look after itself.
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Too much of a spread in too many different classes maybe?? with the majority of them poorly attended.

Some of the class racing on the open circuit is pretty poor.. racing against the same half a dozen fellas time after time just isnt fun. I'd really like to buy a Solution but the lack of attendance at races has put me off. That's the main reason I got a Supernova, because it has a busy (and friendly) well attended open circuit. 

I just think the number of active sailors willing to travel regularly are spread too thin over too many different boats.


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Some of the class racing on the open circuit is pretty poor.. racing against the same half a dozen fellas time after time just isnt fun ....

Exactly like club racing then  ..... ?    But that really does mean the same guys every week .. and at the same location.  Not knocking it if that is what people enjoy but I suspect those of us who travel most do so because we enjoy getting out and racing with a bit more variety.   IMO many CA's run too many 'pure'opens for political membership reasons when they should really run far fewer.  It is not dilution with lots of classes that is the problem - it is perhaps unhelpful dilution with too many class events in some classes.  But that is one for the traditonalists to ponder maybe ...

The big handicap events don't seem to be suffering to any real degree and many of them reach the physical limits of what they can accept today and they seem to be still growing - perhaps people actually enjoy them more than 'pure' racing even when it is often implied it is 'second rate' ?  Just a thought..... 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 16 at 5:31pm
When my new club was two clubs (Leigh Sailing Club and Lowton Sailing Club) and I was sailing there in the '60s there were, IIRC, nine different classes raced on Pennington Flash. Leigh SC had Ents, Merlins, GPs, OKs and Herons, Lowton raced 505s, GPs, Graduates and Solos and both shared the water with Manchester Uni sailing society who raced Fireflys. I think both clubs had a handicap fleet too (at least I remember at least one IC racing at Lowton but maybe they were the 10th class at the time). The combined club now has mainly handicap racing with only a Solo fleet getting separate starts and results on a Sunday.
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Less people are dinghy racing ... bikes are cheaper, easier to slot in to life, less weather dependent, more sociable and don't require all the duties and other b**locks associated with being a member of a typical dinghy racing club , it really is very simple.
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the manufacturers that rather than help their existing boats just bring out a new design. smaller fleets being spread over more classes makes it less appea!ing
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But there are way fewer active classes out there now than there were in the glory days of the 60s and 70s. Don't forget back then there were dozens if not hundreds of small builders, and they all liked the idea of having their own one design classes just as much as RS do...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 16 at 7:31pm
Well if I were at RS I'd be worried since they rely more on class activity than handicap and with all their main classes down, the 800,700,600,500,400,even the 200 and only the Tera Feva and Aero's up which I wouldn't bet were as profitable boats as their more expensive models. The Aero is a runaway success and doing well for exports etc but is it making up for the downturn in the other classes, I have no idea, but nobody would want a previously successful multi product company to be single model reliant.

So why does it matter someone asked, well it matters as it does in lots of the other sports, if sales volumes drop then prices have to increase. Jim is right about the fewer active classes, but wether that is fact or just they don't bother to tell Y&Y what they're up to, again I've no idea, perhaps he can elaborate as to the numbers of handicap returns are they up or down since 2011?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 16 at 7:37pm
The stats would be meaningless ... it would all depend on the numbers of clubs who actively return data
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