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 Topic: Revamping one designs: your experiancePosted: 20 Jan 15 at 1:04pm |
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Does anyone have any examples of strict one design classes that have undergone a rule change to modernise the class: are there any positive outcome stories? For instance the 49er changed to square top sails including a rig change which improved performance and was seen as necessary to look modern as it's in the public eye. I think the class is still as strong internationally (or stronger?), but the demographic of the fleet being professional sailors who would be buying new sails and rigs regularly anyway and the fact the class depends on having a good media image mean it's maybe not the best comparison to a strong UK domestic fleet. I can think of some examples:
I don't know the classes above well enough to know how the changes effected participation, were new sailors drawn in by the modernization? I'm specifically interested in strict one designs where any small change effects the selling point of 'one design' rather than a development class where changes are more iterative and an interest in 'tweaking' is a draw to the class for many (for example the moth has seen a massive increase in popularity over the development of the foils, but strict one design was never their USP). Cheers Tom
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JimC
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 1:40pm |
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In the long term its pretty hard to think of any one designs that haven't changed the rules, if only banning or permitting new materials.
Once upon a time the GP14 only had a jib, not a genoa as did the Graduate.probably fair to say that just about any dinghy with ab overlapping jib has probably had a sail area increase in the rules. I reckon every time we get a low wind decade there seems to be a whole heap of classes increasing sail area. |
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The Moo
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 1:51pm |
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I joined the Enterprise class last year (some years after the introduction of the Rondar boat) I asked the question on their Facebook page (as they don't have a forum on their website) if it would be permissable (regardless of practicalities) to modify an older boat in the same style ie add a double floor, remove rear bench move thwart back etc.
The few responses I got at the time were very vague which to my mind amounted to "Not Sure". I really can't work out whether Rondar alone were given an exemption to produce a boat of that style or if there has been a rule change making it open to all and sundry, but to date nobody has bothered. If it is just the former (and I genuinely don't know) then I would have thought that would have been very unsatsifactory. If anyone on here is close to the pulse of the Ent Class and can confirm I would love to know. Edited by The Moo - 20 Jan 15 at 1:56pm |
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JimC
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 1:58pm |
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Looking at the class rules you need to refer to drawings which aren't published on the web site, but there are so many drawings that refer to wood boats only, none more recent than the 80s I suggest the smart money is no.
It wouldn't be the first class to have radically different permitted interior layouts for wood and glass. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 2:39pm |
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The Lightning 368 has had a new internal layout to make it nicer to sit out. All the other changes, to rudder, sails, mast, boom are retrofittable to the old boats, and many have used all or some of them. It has revitalized the class, with more old boats sorting new kit,/ but not sold many new boats.
The Firefly has had 7 or 8 deck layouts between wood and GRP over the years. |
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 2:53pm |
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The Blaze has gone through several iterations in it's lifetime.
Most recently the move to a carbon mast but in the past have changed the sail from a fully battened to a semi soft rig. The sail change was well managed and done with the full support of the class.
Some Blaze owners feel the carbon mast was more dictated to rather than voted through (although it was approved at the AGM). So it has been less successful. Plus there are other restrictions with the carbon mast that have rightly upset some Blaze owners. |
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 2:53pm |
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The 2000 has a slightly revamped layout after moving to LDC., I think the aim was to make it more comfortable.
Her Indoors had an old Lightning then bought a brand new one and much preferred the new one. Mostly I think because it is pink. The Kestrel has undergone a few different layouts. |
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 4:02pm |
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The Osprey has undergone a few internal changes and then Hartleys have tweaked the hull which I gather is not popular with the wooden hull owners.
Plus carbon mast etc ( not Hatleys doing). Nice looking boats when I saw them at Weymouth. |
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 4:04pm |
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Has the blaze increased the numbers as a result?
The firefly is an interesting example. Did the new deck changes change performance, did they require rule changes? Obviously it's been a pretty successful class an steady for a long time (maybe declined slightly but still I think of it as pretty strong).
I guess for classes that are pretty much or completely dead a rule change has little risk as there is no big fleet one design racing at risk of being disrupted. So if your the class association in these boat it's worth a go but have any boats actually seen a sustained revival back up by numbers? |
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Posted: 20 Jan 15 at 4:08pm |
considering where all the other performance boats from Topper are these days, I'd say 'increased' is a moot point. It's survived far longer than the rest, which I guess validates the reasoning for incremental improvements. Although it's looking rather tired and dated now, irrespective of the carbon mast.
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