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    Posted: 19 Sep 13 at 7:34am
Last weekend the Lightning Nationals took place at Northampton. There were 25 boats which is a fair turnout bearing in mind only about 400 boats built. What I find interesting is that turnout has remained fairly stable for the last 10 years or so. In this time the association has revitalized its self with a great website and superb organisation, the new builder has carefully re-designed the boat making it more modern and better built.

I have been around the class for about 8 years and every year that I have spectated (6 of those 8) someone has said, "lets make it 30 boats next year". This year Rupert made the comment on the Lightning forum.

What can one do to increase numbers. As far as I can see Lightning has done everything right but entries remain stable.

 What did Solo do right? They have seen massive increase in numbers and unlike lightning, where old boats have proved capable of winning, only a newish Solo will do well. You will not see a competitive 30 year old boat. Having sailed both a Lightning wins hands down for me.

So, what is the magic formula. It seems to make no sense to me.
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Critical mass.
Having had a class association for a long time, this gives depth to the fleet, makes it less vulnerable to changes in fashion.
 
Also some people join the smaller fleets precisely because they are the smaller fleets, if you attract new people, some of of the old guard will drift away.
 
Also, there is a slippery slope to being the nationals of a.n. other me-too singlehander.
Solo, Phantom, Laser, Finn, OK pretty much respected by anyone, but some classes, who knows whether the level of competition is actually serious?
 
Also venue. Have it somewhere nice where Dad can go racing while rest of family plays on the beach.
Or something.
 
Why are you spectating instead of taking part? That may be telling.
If your average club sailors do not feel encouraged to come and fight over 26th place, that won't help.
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And that last sentence is exactly where you have to convince the club sailor that sailing in the class fleet will make them better back at the club. We chose the B14 not just because of it's looks, numbers  and it being a high-performance boat but because the fleet is very accessible when it comes to technical boaty stuff (including 2nd hand equipment) but also it's social scene...it's more an extended open family then an "members only" club which some classes are.
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Originally posted by iitick

What can one do to increase numbers.


Build a new version that is distinctly faster than it's PY number so chisellers can win by unfair advantage for a period in mixed handicap events.

Isn't that how all the other classes that are 'successful' did it?
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That may be the case in some classes grf if you are being unkind but in the phantom it certainly wasn't. The changes were made to stop the class going into extinction, to make it easier to sail and so make it more accessible. As a result admittedly the boat has got faster than it used to be. More of a by product than an intention.
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The Dart18 has managed to keep nationals numbers high over the years. Always over 50 for as long as I have been involved and often up in the 70's or 80's from what I can recall.

In my opinion, the key to their success is the people behind the class. Hardworking committee keen to keep the class moving forward, very open to new comers and the venues chosen always have great facilities and socials around the racing.

On the water, mid fleet and the tail end is as keenly contested as the front end. Handicap prizes run in parallel to the top prize spots, so everyone is in for a shout at something.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

That may be the case in some classes grf if you are being unkind but in the phantom it certainly wasn't. The changes were made to stop the class going into extinction, to make it easier to sail and so make it more accessible. As a result admittedly the boat has got faster than it used to be. More of a by product than an intention.


And congratulations to them for being far sighted enough to do that, what a pity the Contender class didn't react in the same manner.

Having said that, following what may or may not have been an 'accident' is it not true to say that is the only game in play right now and is being used rather than the production of new designs, by an element in the trade?

Is the Solo benefitting and the Streaker?
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Every thing that has been mentioned so far has been done by the Lightning Class but still numbers are stable. That is what puzzles me. Next year I may attempt the Nationals myself and swell the numbers by one.  Who knows I might even be competition for........
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by maxibuddah

That may be the case in some classes grf if you are being unkind but in the phantom it certainly wasn't. The changes were made to stop the class going into extinction, to make it easier to sail and so make it more accessible. As a result admittedly the boat has got faster than it used to be. More of a by product than an intention.


And congratulations to them for being far sighted enough to do that, what a pity the Contender class didn't react in the same manner.

Having said that, following what may or may not have been an 'accident' is it not true to say that is the only game in play right now and is being used rather than the production of new designs, by an element in the trade?

Is the Solo benefitting and the Streaker?
The Contender is perhaps more hampered by being an international class, but also, it's still delivering the goods on the world stage, while certain boats that were going to take over its role have come and gone.
 
Manufacturers try to build what people will buy.
Class racing being driven by the class associations seems to be working better.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by maxibuddah

That may be the case in some classes grf if you are being unkind but in the phantom it certainly wasn't. The changes were made to stop the class going into extinction, to make it easier to sail and so make it more accessible. As a result admittedly the boat has got faster than it used to be. More of a by product than an intention.


And congratulations to them for being far sighted enough to do that, what a pity the Contender class didn't react in the same manner.

Having said that, following what may or may not have been an 'accident' is it not true to say that is the only game in play right now and is being used rather than the production of new designs, by an element in the trade?

Is the Solo benefitting and the Streaker?


Most of the changes have come from the membership rather than a big manufacturer. The main reason is that the builder of the polyester phantoms was a class enthusiast in the Jeff Vanderborght rather than a big company. He created the plastic ones to keep the boat going. The biggest foresight was from the designers who set the min weight at 61kgs. Changes to the hull materials and other things, while done by Jeff had to be approved by the members first and then finally approved by the designers. As far as I can see there has never been an intention at any point in the phantoms "development" for any commercial gain from a performance point of view. Obviously Jeff made money out of them but that was because he offered plastic rather than wood. In fact early plastic ones were substantially heavier than their wooden alternatives.
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