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    Posted: 14 Aug 13 at 8:38pm
http://www.sailvortex.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42&Itemid=169

The Vortex is almost back in limited production, which has to be good news. Its great to have a stable trapeze boat back in production for those with dodgy knees. It has to be remembered that when it was in production it didn't have the asymmetric, which the class subsequently developed. This removed the criticism of it being a bit dull downwind. I wish the class well with this launch as it does things that nothing else does.

Graham, this has to be on your list Tongue
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Saw them up at White Formula, they still have two too many daggerboards for my beach.
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Good news. I had one for 4 years, a great boat in the right conditions. Accessible, (relatively) easy to sail, fast, asymmetric, trapeze single hander, what's not to like!
 
Graham, you could probably get one off your beach if they change to a kick up rudder, I don't know if this is possible with the slight redesign that's happening with this re-launch.
 
Well done to all who have been involved with this, I know a lot of effort has gone into this over a long period of time.
 
Good luck with it.
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Good news for a lightweights entry to trap/kite combo.... although personally I'd be way too heavy for one.
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I am not sure what a competitive weight on the circuit would be, but we used to have one at the club that went very well and he wasnt small.
I sailed one a couple of times albeit without the kite and it went well enough, didn't seem to be overloaded.
I would guess that 75kg-85kg is probably ideal, but it wasnt averse to carrying a bit more Embarrassed
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Agree, if it had a kick up rudder I'd have to consider it, at the end of the day it was the initial inspiration for the V twin.
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Well,
I have had boats with both cassette and kick up rudders and frankly I find a good cassette rudder easier when coming ashore in the shallows. Obviously if you are a can short of a six pack and forget that as you run out of wet stuff it probably gets shallower, then the dagger rudder is going to punish. BUT, a kick up rudder becomes very heavy if you part raise it and can be difficult to control in a breeze, it puts a lot of stress on the fitting at that point and odes not steer well. The cassette is a simple pull up, leaving 8 inches in the water remains balanced and keeps plenty of grip and accuracy for landing. 
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You need to come and sail where men sail.

You need to feel that panic as your hind quarter gets lifted up and it's all downhill into a wall of shingle.

Or you're still trying to beat ashore then a nice big groundswell comes along to 'help' you with that last bit.

Just remembering to uncleat before engaging beach ram mode and baling out the back is enough, never mind swanning about lifting three plates on your jack jones..

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Originally posted by SimonW99

Well,
I have had boats with both cassette and kick up rudders and frankly I find a good cassette rudder easier when coming ashore in the shallows. Obviously if you are a can short of a six pack and forget that as you run out of wet stuff it probably gets shallower, then the dagger rudder is going to punish. BUT, a kick up rudder becomes very heavy if you part raise it and can be difficult to control in a breeze, it puts a lot of stress on the fitting at that point and odes not steer well. The cassette is a simple pull up, leaving 8 inches in the water remains balanced and keeps plenty of grip and accuracy for landing. 


Pivoting rudders need not be difficult to control in a breeze or fail to steer well.
It's easier to get a bit of balance area forward of the pintle axis on a pivoting rudder.
A boat with a jib is normally OK to sail with the rudder 90% up for coming ashore, but then the fixed rudder boys will do it with no rudder.
In my past, I have sailed some boats with rubbish lifting rudders though.

Launching off a beach is one thing, but sailing where there are shallow bits in the race area is a bigger problem and quite common on the South Coast.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Agree, if it had a kick up rudder I'd have to consider it, at the end of the day it was the initial inspiration for the V twin.


Surely it's easier to fabricate a lifting rudder than to re-invent the wing-wang or do hull surgery?
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