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Bellingforth ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 68 |
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This question is prompted by a view I've seen expressed in several places including this forum:
"I haven't joined the CA this year as I won't be able to make it to any meetings." From what I recall of the Blaze accounts at last year's AGM, the significant costs involved in running the CA were:
I may have missed some, but open meetings are typically self-financing from fees and if there's a big turnout then it's typically the host club that makes the profit. However, it's the only place membership can be policed which I guess explains the "view". So as I'm in the process of forming a new CA, I'd be interested in peoples's views on what they expect from a CA, how to encourage them to join, and what a reasonable fee would be? Mike B. |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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I have paid £15 to the 2000 class association. I don't expect to get to many events but part of the website is memers only content and I wanted to access that. I think it's good value.
I paid £10 to the cvrda which as I understand it goes to the upkeep of the website - it is a primarily web based organisation - and it is again very good value. For me good, up to date information online and readily accessible is key. |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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The most important purpose is to manage the class rules.
If volunteers are sharing the work, cost should be kept down. If people expect everything done by paid admin staff, that is expensive unless you have a lot of members. If people are paying a high membership, they seem to be less willing to contribute time as volunteers. I don't know what RYA affiliation costs, or whether it is really necessary unless you are running events under our own flag?
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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Whether a class has an extant CA is a huge factor in the second-hand value of boats, so it makes sense for every boat owner to join the CA.
The CA usually also provides for a website where people can get class-specific advice, and arranges events so that people can meet up. In our case it gets you cheaper insurance to boot, so may even pay for itself. Membership of the 3k CA is only £10 (thanks to Noble Marine sponsorship for allowing us to keep it so low), so you would have to be mean indeed not to contribute. You can even do it all on-line now, without needing to get out ye olde paper and cheque. (Which reminds me, having just this week sent out the renewals as Class Sec., I haven't done mine yet!)
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NickM ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 328 |
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I guess it depends on what your CA does and how much you expect to get out of it. The Solo CA is very active and has some excellent publications which are of interest to all Solo sailors, whether or not they do the circuit, so membership is good value.
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Roger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 04 Location: Somerset Online Status: Offline Posts: 524 |
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I am a member of 2 class associations, Solo and Scorpion, and I have always been a member of whatever class of boat I have at the time. This has nothing to do with attending open meetings or championships, although that is important to me, chiefly its to do with supporting the class for which I have an active interest and a financial investment.
For the majority of classes the association is the only body investing in the future, keeping an open meeting circuit going, policing the rules and generally publicizing the class. Every bit of support that a class association can get is always useful, both financial and in terms of time and effort. I have sat on 2 different class committees and understand both the frustrations and satisfactions of doing so, and I always admire those who give much larger chunks of their time than I was able, the majority for no reward and at personal expense (although many are offered expenses they are usually declined). Class subs are usually a miniscule proportion of what we invest in our boats, and yet an active class can ensure value is retained in the boat itself, for me this alone justifies the £20-25 a year, although as already said there are many other benefits too. |
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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This is something UKFA have been considering, but till now have shelved because we can't decide where the line should be drawn... Any pointers gratefully received... |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Regarding 'members only web content, I see it as a balance between a few members you might gain who want the content and are prepared to pay for it, vs giving the class a good image and maybe attracting people to buy the boat.
A dead looking website does not sell the class, so if much of the good stuff is members only, it's an uphill struggle to promote the class. I'd say don't do it unless you have plenty of web content for the general public. There may be internal debates on the forum which would be best not public, but such things tend to leak out anyway, from my non-sailing experience. |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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In the 3k class, we feel that the site is as much for the benefit of people looking to join the class as it is the existing members (who of course benefit if the new people join).
The Wayfarer class (where I have a part-time crewing job) takes a very tight-*rsed approach and won't let anyone other than members post on the forum, or even see some news items. Not great if people want to inquire about the suitability of the boat for them, even if it keeps me off their forum!
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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In my view, if you (or the owner etc) don't join the CA, you are as much out of class as if you have replica sails.
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