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    Posted: 16 Nov 12 at 1:34pm
Always a class to provide a bit of controversy, the Merlins are at it again...

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I don't read it that way at all.
There seem to be two or three types of owners of vintage Merlins.
There are those who own old boats and mostly enjoy them for the love of wooden boats, and race them but are not driven by the need to win.
There are Merlin sailors who sail on rivers, where the old designs do very well, who are competitive by nature  and want the best boat for those conditions. A new build to an old design suits these people.
There people in between who enjoy close inland racing and find an older Merlin delivers that, at reasonable cost.

There seem to be enough of all these people enjoying Merlins that they stand a better chance of getting meaningful racing than they would in any other class.
There are also several distinct circuits of open meetings with different classifications for old boats. The will always be debate at the edges as to what is eligible for which bits, and about PY's. The level of participation in some of these series puts many of the 'new' classes in the shade.
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Have to agree with Peaky. Some of the threads on there this year have not done the class any favours. One about barging and not doing turns and strtching rules to the limit. One about pumping, roll tackingetc. Now how can I make my new boat eligable for vintage racing by putting a bit of wood on from an old boat so it can keep its number below the thirty year rule.
 
Very over simplified I know. A truly lovely boat to sail but have to say when I have raced in the class in an old boat was treated as "in the way" by the modern ones who seemed to feel the classic wing were not really racing so should give way to a boat on port tack. I was also not happy to have the borrowed boats varnish scratched by barging at marks where bumping seems to be considered ok. What happened to good manners on the race course.
 
Oh I forgot to mention the thread about the starts at Salcombe. Not a good reputation developing there.


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The Merlins have always had different attitudes to other fleets. I remember the day when, back in the 70s, in ridiculously hot drifting conditions, the Queen Mary Merlin fleet apparently wanted to join in the Queen Mary Cherub Fleet's water fight...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 12 at 6:39pm
I think a lot of classes must envy the activity on the Merlin forum.
The 400 forum was a bit of a desert last time I looked.
I don't think they are the only class to have issues with starts, barging at marks, propulsion etc, but they do seem to be more capable of discussing the issues.

Some people with old boats do end up replacing vast amounts of wood, when does a hull become a new boat? It's particularly difficult to define exactly with a Merlin, because some of the boats have had quite serious surgery to keep up with design trends. Is a 1980 boat modified to a 1990 shape 'vintage'? Is it somehow OK if it was modified when it was 2 years old, but not to do the same mods now?
Interesting stuff, but I can't see any gain in non-Merlin sailors putting their oar in.

Or is Peaky seeing the light and wanting a proper boat with a spinnaker?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rogerd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 12 at 9:17pm
I agree the forum is active and they allow public discussion of controversy within the class which is also great but I do feel they need to address some of the issues raised particularly they on course behaviour.
Standard reply is protest and I agree that should be the answer but in a self policing sport it shouldnt always come down to having to stay after an event with a long drive home to wait for results of protests. There are some excellent sailors in the Merlin fleet and I can only dream of being half that good but is there any pleasure winning if on the way home you wonder if you won by pushing the rules to the limits or is it  win at all costs now? 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 12 at 4:28am
Good grief. Can't you guys tell a joke unless it's marked with a smiley face?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 12 at 8:52am
It's an interesting debate and it was was only a matter of time before before the issue cropped up. People want the "Ultimate" river boat, Passing Cloud is seen as that design but only about 8 were ever built. Not all of these survive and those that do are not for sale. There is plenty of money down there and inevivitably people are looking at having them built - no problem, it's been done before.
 
Obviously the vintage boys are worried about an arms race if they get allowed into the De May series. I can't see that this would be allowed, but as is rightly said there is no definition as to what consitiutes a new build when a wreck is reconstructed. A loophole that needs closing.
 
The forum itself is great, though it's a pain at times. It's lively, informative and usually clean. If something libelous or detrimental to the class' image is posted it gets deleted. It's not perfect, but one of the better debating platforms out there.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Hornet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 12 at 9:46am
What ever you say about the Merlin Forum and CA, at least they dont have CA reps coming on here and abusing people for a point of view, without even so much of an apology!! LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 12 at 10:13am
All credit to them for having an open discussion, it certainly wouldn't put me off the class, it's a technical boat in every sense of the word; good luck to them for not pussy-footing around a discussion; I'd lay money on the fact that they'd share a beer in a bar after sailing happy and friendly; it's all just considered part of the game, if you don't like it, buy an MRX or a 400, no worries.
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