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    Posted: 15 Jun 10 at 11:22am
Originally posted by alstorer

if you're OCS under black flag and there's a general recall, are you allowed to try for the next attempt to start?

Nope. If they've identified you and posted your sail number then you'll get a DNE if you go for the next start. If they haven't notified you according to the SIs you might be able to get the DNE rduced to a BFD under redress if you're lucky.

That's the point of the BFD/not allowed to start bit. It speedily winnows the fleet down to a size where they can identify every fair starter.
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Do remember that the black flag catches any boat that is OCS (ie in the triangle formed by the start marks and the WW mark) in the last minute of the sequence (making it easier for the RO to identify offenders).

If you were past the start line but were in theory over but the 'wrong' side of one of the marks you can go back and restart (as long as you did not cross the line if that makes sense).
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Originally posted by ellistine


Just a shame we didn't know about it till crossing the line
an hour later!

Shouldn't there have been an individual recall signal by the race officer? unless of course it was started under the black flag.
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Originally posted by Andymac

Originally posted by ellistine

Just a shame we didn't
know about it till crossing the line an hour later!


Shouldn't there have been an individual recall signal by
the race officer? unless of course it was started under the
black flag.


There was and one boat did go back so I thought that was
that. To be honest I was pretty sure we weren't OCS when
the gun went off.
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Originally posted by ellistine

There was and one boat did go back so I thought that was that.

Its always wise to look back and check that the flag goes down after the boat retsurns. That way you know that there aren't any boats yet to come back.
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I have come across continental ROs on several occasions bottling out by putting up the postponement flag at 2 secs to the start instead of a general recall. Anyone else found this? Don't think any were under black flag. Whats the advantage?
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Originally posted by alstorer

What happens in that siuation? if you're OCS under black flag and there's a general recall, are you allowed to try for the next attempt to start? presumbaly yes, as the starters can't identify all OCS boats?


They chucked out who they could see was over. Then started again! They couldn't get the numbers of all that were over, so the general recall was applied. After a few times people didnt push the line and they got the race away luckily.
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RE:>> continental ROs bottling out by putting up the postponement flag at 2 secs to the start instead of a general recall.

Sometimes (often? usually? occasionally?) the fact there is a need for a general recall is down to the Race Officer - e.g. too short a line or a biased line due or a wind shift that hasn't shifted back again.

In these cases, sounding a postponement, resetting the line, and starting again is entirely sensible.

 
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