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    Posted: 02 Mar 07 at 8:20pm

Re the 400:

I really like the rig - I don't know any other SMOD rig that allows the main to be so totally flattened.  I think the hull is probably too heavy to benefit from a skiffy type rig. 

I don't understand why they're losing popularity so much - they're definitely one of the better SMODs.  But if they're not careful they will be as dead as the Laser 2 within a few years.

I'd like to see the Laser rotomoulded, with composite mast, plastic sail and bigger rudder.

Or rotomoulded Mirror, with platic sails and an assymetric.  Oh, hang on, that's a Feva... 

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Originally posted by MainlySwimming

The assy fireball has to be the best idea so far

The Fireball doesn't need or want an assy for that matter because it's not what you look for in a fireball, a bigger kite by allowing a longer spin pole and the pole to be fixed lower on the mast would be the best thing.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ian.r.mcdonald Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 07 at 9:49pm

i was digging trough old videos today  and saw 14245 at the Blithfield open in 94 with the Bowdlers winning in 410 Stepping Up

 

Good to see 245 still out there and yachting!

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Really!

NIce to know, I think I have the tuning record from that race in the folder that came with the boat. I don't know too much about the boat as I only bought it in November. I think we currently might be the lightest crew ever to sail it with a 15 and a 16 year old sailing together! And not the biggest 15year old at that!

Certainly still sailing though!  

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As skiffman said, carbon wings on the 49er would be awesome. Maybe replace the aluminium bottom section with a carbon one, to keep costs of updating down. Remember hearing about the wings thing a while ago and writing the idea off, but after looking at them for a while they are carrying a lot of weight and could do with updating. Not too sure about Carbon Nomex hulls though..... Water impregnation through cracks in the hull isn't too good with Nomex cores from what I've heard and think I can remember. 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 07 at 11:48pm

Originally posted by olly_love

the nice thing bout the 200 is that u can sail it inland and on smaller rivers.  it is very manourvrable and with the small kite it has a good turn of speed and also still can get out of trouble. 

 

Olly 200 isnt a great on small rivers, my brother olly had one and we sail on a river the problem is that asy kites are hard for straight downwind legs.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 07 at 11:51pm
Originally posted by FireballNeil

Originally posted by MainlySwimming

The assy fireball has to be the best idea so far

The Fireball doesn't need or want an assy for that matter because it's not what you look for in a fireball, a bigger kite by allowing a longer spin pole and the pole to be fixed lower on the mast would be the best thing.

Matter of opinion.

I sold 14606 reluctantly when my super crew deserted me for his family . I wrote to the class assn and said I'd like to re-join the class one day, but by then it would have to have an asymmetric. Not from a performance point of view but because it is so much easier to find a crew competent enough to sail a chuted-asymmetric hard.

After three seasons in an asymmetric, I really can't see the point in all the hassle of symmetric kites. They're so rarely an advantage, the luff-length is much less than that of a substitute asymmetric would be and the centre of effort is horribly high.

And I say all that despite (because of?!) crewing a symmetrically-kited boat on Saturdays and on it's open circuit.

 

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Originally posted by Chew my RS

Re the 400... 

I don't understand why they're losing popularity so much - they're definitely one of the better SMODs.

It might by a cyclical thing. All classes seem to surge and fall back over time (look at the 300's and 600's!), but quality is something you can't ignore for too long, and the 4 is a good quality boat with excellent quality racing.

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Have many classes dropped weight in a big jump and actually increased fleet numbers? In comparison, it seems that classes that retro-fit improvements/alterations to existing hulls (Laser with Radial and 4.7; Tornado; Blaze X) do pretty well out of it. Then again, the Byte CII doesn't seem to be all that happening does it?


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