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    Posted: 11 Dec 06 at 10:14pm
I've broken a Tasar mast yself in the past - (fantastic underrated boat etc etc).  But if you have got the cost down to £ 160 it's hardly worth claiming.  Once you pay an excess of £ 50 or £ 100 you will have several years of elevated premiums.  I now work on the principle that anything under say £ 500 is not worth a claim and am even considering 3rd party only for the future.  If you can discipline yourself why not put the 'saved'  money into a ring fenced pot for the odd rainy day.    

Lastly I put foam in each end of the top secion of the Tasar mast and near the top of the bottom section and around the diamond take-offs.  It drastically reduces any tendancy to invert even if Frank B. might not approve (but he sells masts etc ...)

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Originally posted by English Dave

( don't get me started on a fit-for-purpose argument re Laser masts - grrr )



English Dave, its a simple case of claiming under s.14 of the Sale of Goods Act 1979, you know that. 

Originally posted by blaze720

I've broken a Tasar mast yself in the past - (fantastic underrated boat etc etc)

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Originally posted by tickel

Well, thanks for all comments even though some are a little harsh. I have inspected the damage again to day and spoken to the kind insurers. Regarding our competance. Tasars always invert and the fantastic high tech masts do not take to being bashed into the bottom of a lake ! I


Sorry, but this is probably going to sound even harsher, but this incident would be a prime example of the reason why insurers put up premiums for people who make multiple claims. It is very difficult for a boat to break its own mast when on the bottom in still water, it will generally only break if someone is sitting on top of the hull or you're rescued in the wrong way. If you know your boat inverts very easily and the lake is shallow, when you capsize just fall straight into the water and there won't be a problem. Similarly when being rescued, if the mast is well and truly stuck, the capsized boat should be towed in the opposite direction to where the mast is pointing, ideally with a towline attached to the shroud which is under water.

With insurance claims in general, I wouldn't ever claim for less than about £250, and this year I've not claimed for three incidents which most people would have tried to claim for so as to keep a clean record!
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Putting foam in the mast seems like a great idea although the topmast is very skinny and cant contain very much, but we will try it. When we broke our first mast it hit a bouy very hard as we went in and snapped off just above the hounds. This time the mast was on the bottom and I think the hull was "vaulted" over the mast by the strong wind. As to how good Tasars actualy are. They are tricky to get right (we still need to succeed) but providing there is enough wind for both to hike they are bloody quick and technicaly facinating. Stick to the sea or large waters though. On our little lake you are either howling along or going nowhere, they can be frustrating. I am sure Combat Wombat can find a boat near to him to try, Medway?,. Most Tasar owners are pretty evangelical about the class.
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Perhaps they should offer a no claims discount ...
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You only need to put a small plug in each end of the mast sections.  Easy to remove if needed but enough to prevent the top section flooding quickly.  You are right they are technically a bit challenging but that is half the fun.  They look 'easy' enough and are not difficult but they do need a bit of work and practice - (bit like the Blaze really !)  What is certain is that they are the most comfortable 2 man hiker going bar none.  You you do need a good sized bit of water to really get the Tasar flying - Ours is on a smallish gravel pit (Burghfield) but even here on the right day it will see off many a 'faster' boat.

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Originally posted by Ian99

Originally posted by tickel

Well, thanks for all comments even though some are a little harsh. I have inspected the damage again to day and spoken to the kind insurers. Regarding our competance. Tasars always invert and the fantastic high tech masts do not take to being bashed into the bottom of a lake ! I


... If you know your boat inverts very easily and the lake is shallow, when you capsize just fall straight into the water and there won't be a problem....


I disagree. If you sail a boat that inverts easily and you are using it for it's prime purpose (racing) then it's reasonable to try to right the boat quickly to continue with a race. If your argument holds then any boat which scoops lots of water when it capsizes (Lark, 12 etc) breaking a mast whilst trying to 'sail the water out' could be penalised. You get insurance to race so surely any part of racing is covered.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote charlie w Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Dec 06 at 12:50pm

Quick advert here for Noble marine.

My crew and I sail 505's, and recently broke 2 masts inside a year...albeit in different premium years.  The second time, we totalled the main and jib too.

Both masts were broken while racing competitively (2005 Nationals and 2006 Eurocup).  Noble's were good on both occasions (each claim was into 4 figures). 

We were actually pleasantly surprised by the moderate increase in our premium (we thought we were going to be heavily hit on increase) explained by Nobles because they take the whole class into account when setting premiums.  As we have not really claimed much over the 10 previous seasons you could claim that this has evened itself out.  We were impressed with them, though.

Finally, I think that not expecting any increase in your premium after 2 such incidences would be a little unreasonable, though.

 



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