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    Posted: 21 Nov 06 at 8:03am
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  • Before bearing off from closehauled crack the sheets about six inches and really get some speed this makes the bear away much easier.


This seriously works? I thought this would be a recipe for a pitchpole
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Before bearing off from closehauled crack the sheets about six inches and really get some speed this makes the bear away much easier.
This seriously works? I thought this would be a recipe for a pitchpole

Thinking about it I reckon I did that in the Cherub. certainly bear off with the jib undersheteed and very warily in a big breeze.

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i spose the theory is that the rig will be going faster so it (the rig) wont have as much to accelerate as you bear away through a reach, giving the hull more of a chance to keep up (with the rig) preventing a pitchpole. (hopefully)

this is just an educated guess



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Getting back to righting skiff type boats, perhaps my experience in the 4000 will help.

The big roach of the mainsail means you have to ease the kicker otherwise you are trying to scoop up tons of water.

The hull is unstable so its no good trying to get it head to wind.  Accept that you are going to have to right it with the mast pointing into the wind and hence it is likely to blow right over unless you use the RYA scoop method of righting where the crew is in the water and is scooped up and into the boat as the boat rights.

The helm must get into the boat as it rights, so that you can bear away onto a reach immediately - otherwise it will luff and then you are head-to-wind and very vulnerable to gust or just plain falling over anyway.

If the crew or helm are not in the boat after a righting then you have to continue to control the boat whilst they clamber aboard.  You can't put the boat head-to-wind.  They must come aboard on the windward side or windward side off the transom whilst the boat is inching forwards to maintain steerage and remember it is possible to heel the boat to windward to make this easier for them.

I hate to say it but "Call me suicidal ...." has a ring of truth about it now.  I could also point out that I said much earlier in this thread that these boats don't have stability - so its certainly not a good idea to try and get it head to wind.

I have met so many people who have sailed these sorts of boats in benign environments and then when the going gets tough just can't hack it.  Now that sounds like I'm gloating.  I'm not, its now that some people persevere and learn and some people drop out.  When I started I capsized and capsized but I'm glad I kept at it because now I can enjoy the high speeds these boats go.

Good luck Suicidal you have reached crunch time I hope you get through it.

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  • Before bearing off from closehauled crack the sheets about six inches and really get some speed this makes the bear away much easier.



This seriously works? I thought this would be a recipe for a pitchpole

It is much better than trying to do a bear off after pinching up to get round the windward mark. If the hull is already planing hard it is easier to keep the bow out than when you stab it downwind with no speed and the sails load up, the nose goes down a wave face and into the next wave - swim time!!

You still have to pick your moment to start going downwind and be decisive about it - just more hull speed makes the job of getting throught the zone easier.

Give a try and see if it makes it easier.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote k_kirk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Nov 06 at 1:22pm
Thanks for all the well thought and considerate responses. I will try the multiple options suggested this weekend and see how it goes. Best Regards
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 49erGBR735HSC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 06 at 12:50pm

If you have some more experienced sailors at the club, it might be an idea to have a few sails with them crewing or helming your boat. That way you'd learn from them and it would also give you a bit of help when learning to sail with your regular crew. It helps greatly on the boat if someone is sailing it with some sort of experience than both helm and crew starting from scratch, especially on the 29erXX.

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