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    Posted: 04 Oct 05 at 9:45pm
I think its more down to the class association than the clubs... although it may be the basics people have trouble with even they are very class specific.

The good CAs organise training anyway... if they dont, why not suggest it?
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Originally posted by Guest#260

IAs for the issue with funds; people pay £40 for a 30 minute golf lesson; would you pay that for 1:1 sailing coaching?

I am not talking about the club funding training but the individual.

Rick


Interesting point. Perhaps it points up one of the (many) differences between golf and sailing as I don't know many people who'd pay £40 for 1:1 sailing coaching. Is this because many clubs have seen training/coaching as part of their reason for being, and have deliberately kept it low cost?  Do people really value what they've had for next to nothing before?

The class association led training sessions are good though, we've ran a couple of those at the club and got great feedback. Turnouts could have been better though, which brings me back to my original post which wondered if many mid/back fleet types are apathetic and can't be bothered!

 
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Originally posted by Guest#260

As for the issue with funds; people pay £40 for a 30 minute golf lesson; would you pay that for 1:1 sailing coaching?

No I wouldn't although I have and would again pay to go on class training events.

A while ago I made a class training video. We used a well-known professional coach (ex Olympic sailor) to run a training day, with a RIB chaser from which I videoed. Then we debriefed back onshore using the video, with the debrief run by the coach but with interjections from a number of class hot-shots. To me the comments from people within the class were by far the most useful part of the day; however the coach provided the structure for the debrief and that was valuable too. 

After that, as a class we paid for a class member to be trained as a RYA coach and he has run subsequent sessions (for free). I edited down the video so it was available to those who hadn't made the session.

I won't say on a public forum what we paid the coach but it was nowhere near the equivalent of £80/hour.  There are less well-known people around who charge around £150/day for keelboat coaching. 
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Originally posted by Guest#260

As for the issue with funds; people pay £40 for a 30 minute golf lesson; would you pay that for 1:1 sailing coaching?

No I wouldn't although I have and would again pay to go on class training events.

A while ago I made a class training video. We used a well-known professional coach (ex Olympic sailor) to run a training day, with a RIB chaser from which I videoed. Then we debriefed back onshore using the video, with the debrief run by the coach but with interjections from a number of class hot-shots. To me the comments from people within the class were by far the most useful part of the day; however the coach provided the structure for the debrief and that was valuable too. 

After that, as a class we paid for a class member to be trained as a RYA coach and he has run subsequent sessions (for free). I edited down the video so it was available to those who hadn't made the session.

I won't say on a public forum what we paid the coach but it was nowhere near the equivalent of £80/hour.  There are less well-known people around who charge around £150/day for keelboat coaching. 

Agreed; we run class training with the Musto's and it works great but I personally would like to recieve 1:1 coaching in addition to that but it's not really affordable to wheel in one of the usual suspects on the coaching circuit for a 1:1.

Rick

 
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