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    Posted: 05 Sep 05 at 1:05pm
Well? What is the definition of a Skiff, and I don't mean some cut'n'paste from an internet dictionary. If someone designed a dinghy and wanted to call it a Skiff what would it have to have to be a real Skiff?
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My friend defines a skiff as anything that will plane upwind
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  • Light for size
  • Large sail area for waterline length
  • Large Righting moment for width of hull e.g. flares, racks,  trapizes
  • Planes upwind and down.
  • Uses apparent wind to sail down wind
  • Something where just getting around the course is an acheavment.
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yeah I wasn't too sure on that definition either, but no one really seems to be able to come up with a better one, not that I've heard anyway. Did you have the 420 planing upwind much? I've sailed them with some pretty good sailors for the last 5 years and I've only planed upwind a handful of times, when we had a lot of weight in the boat and serious wind. Maybe a dinghy that isn't designed to be sailed as a displacement boat?
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OH PLEASE GOD NOT THIS AGAIN !!!
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Pierre

OH PLEASE GOD NOT THIS AGAIN !!!


I figured this was a cynical posting so I cut to the chase and started the Aussie/Cherub bashing.... banter after all!

Oh OK .....

So a xkiff would be a wide and flat Contender then, but only with full approval of those who sail in Australia

 
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Edited by Isis - 22 Nov 11 at 12:15pm
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I did intend this to be a a genuine discussion and put it in banter by mistake, thanks to those who responded sensibly.

I wasn't suggesting the Contender is a Skiff, just because I sail one doesn't mean I'm obsessed with them (Cherub and certain MPS sailors take note) but others in the class want to try and draw some connection. I was just wondering if the sailing public would accept this or think it was comical?

It seems that putting wings on something gives you the right to call a boat a skiff but I just think it looks like an afterthought.



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How about thwese 2 simple rules to identify a "High performance sailboat"

1, sails fast upwind (say boatspeed > 50% of true wind speed)

2, sails faster than true wind speed down wind (so at times can sail “off the front of the gust”)

 
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But I want a definition of a skiff.
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