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Okapi ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 16 |
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In ye' days of olde I guess there were no cam cleats only open (horn) cleats. Is it now the case that no one, or not many folk use open cleats for things like Jib sheets on a dinghy? |
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Roy Race ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Aug 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 275 |
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I think the last time anyone used horn cleats for jib sheets was in about 1940. It's safer to be able to release the sheets in a hurry if you're hit by a gust, so just put your hand in your pocket and get some proper modern cam cleats. It'll make the whole experience more enjoyable if your equipment works and your son will be more likely to want to carry on sailing.
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Okapi ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 16 |
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Thanks Roy, 'spend my way out', has never been an option I am keen to follow, I know and respect where you are coming from though. The plan is to progress to keel boats in the future, I'm more worried about skill more than convenience.
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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Buy cam cleats. If you can't release the jib quickly enough you could well end up capsized and your son could end up cold, wet and frightened. There is nothing to be learned by using horn cleats; very few boats make use of them, even the cvrda use new fangled stuff these days. Get your son familiar with things he is most likely to encounter in the near future. The only reason why securing an open cleat is taught in the RYA syllabus is because it demonstrates how to secure a boat to a mooring. It has no place being used for jib sheets.
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the same, but different...
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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Horn cleats shouldn't really be in use for sheets even on keel boats either I'd have thought, for pretty much the same reason. Smaller ones will use cam cleats larger ones combinations of winches and clutches, yes?
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Graham T ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 123 |
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I am just starting a restoration project on a 1957 Osprey -
it is in original layout and has bronze horn cleats for most things but not the sheets..... In fact it has no sheet cleats at all, just a huge snubbing winch mounted on the centre of the thwart which will probably cause the crew some pain if they come in from the trapeze too fast! As far as I am aware horn cleats should never be and have never been used for sheets in a dinghy. Get some cam cleats or as they used to just hold the sheets. |
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Osprey 55 "Tebutinnang"
Osprey 1245 "Two Bob Bit" Miracle 1358 "Thumper" |
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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Still to be found on Main Halyards, but that's about it.
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Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard"
Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
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Garry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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All the bosuns I've sailed have had cam cleats for the jib sheets. Most keelboats now have self tailing winches, I haven't seen a cleat used for sheets in years. Garry |
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zailor ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 09 Location: Penparc Online Status: Offline Posts: 249 |
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RS Feva Jib Haliards thats the only boat I have found them on (and owned) |
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Okapi ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 16 |
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Now a snubbing winch is a good idea, I have room for one on the centreboard casing on the forward thwart. That should keep him busy with a sheet to pull, now I gotta find a small one which hopefully has a reversible ratchet, hopefully it clicks... these X-boxes have not won the day yet!
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