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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Hi All
The structure of the Tornado
class has gone through many changes over the past 11 months. The Tornado
Class/Multihull community became to complacent believing that multihull was safe
and would always be part of the Olympic program, this lead to a major shock to
us all at the 2007 Annual ISAF meeting in November. There has been a lot of
work done to overturn this decision. It was decided that the ITA needed a fresh
new look and a more hands on approach within ISAF. At the 2008 ITA AGM in New Zealand
in February a new committee was elected based on current high profile sailors
within the class to make ourselves more presentable to ISAF and improve the
working relationship. The first assignment was the ISAF mid years meeting,
where we had a huge mountain to climb, firstly in changing their feeling and
perception of our discipline, and to reinstate the class back into the 2012
Olympics. A very successful job was done on the first part of this mission, and
due to the lobbying of ourselves and other multihull enthusiasts we managed to
convince ISAF council not to reaffirm their November 2012 Olympic decision on a
simple majority. Unfortunately due to ISAF regulations we need a 2/3 majority
to change which at this stage was a to bigger hurdle.
Regards The ITA Committee |
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That is a pretty bold move for the T's. Who's going to build what bits? |
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PobodysNerfect ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Oct 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
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It's still going to be very difficult for them to make it to 2012 - they've got to decide to do it, design/write the rules, get the fleet to migrate (presumably some will have to buy new boats or at least a bit of new gear), prove to ISAF/IOC that it's got the goods, THEN have enough regattas to get a decent selection process up and running.
"Eliminate class rule loopholes" - I bet they loved the whole upwind spinnaker fiasco in Beijing... and that'll take a bit of forgetting by ISAF and the IOC. Brave move, definitely. |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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Not sure it will be too difficult. AImost all have Marstrom boats already; the masts are already SMOD; Making sails one design is a case of buying a set, and I assume deck fit out will still be free. Quali series will simply be a case of re-starting the system that was used last time.
Do not see this bit as difficult. Changing the minds of the mandarins at the ISAF may prover more difficult as they are already commited the the original (flawed IMO) decision to drop the catamaran from the schedule.
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Chew my RS ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 05 Oct 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 790 |
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So is the intention to be a single manufacturer one design (as I interpret from the 49er reference) or one design (as it currently actually is, like a 470)? If it is the SMOD route, will the sailmaker, hull builder and ittings supplier be subject to a competitive tender process, or will Marstrom and North be given it on a plate because they are currently the biggest names? Could be bad news for Graham Eeles and quite a few sailmakers if that's the case.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Who knows. SMODs are not at all popular with ISAF reps from some countries where they have sailboat industries but not big SMOD companies. How many of those countries there are and how many votes they count for is another matter of course. And F18s are not very popular internationally outside a very few countries where there are *loads*. |
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Think youll find that Ullman and gran segal is the bigger name in Ts than North.
I agree with Scooby..I dont think for the class it will make that big a difference to be one design or smod. All masts are from marstrom anyway...99% of the fleet use marstrom hulls...foils is a bit more of an issue...with the fleet split between Eeles and marstrom. Chutes the majority use Eeles. Sails I think it would be safe to say the majority of the fleet use an Ullman/Gran segal mix. So a big change? I think its not as big a step as everyone is thinking it is. |
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Catsrule ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 61 |
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Man.... I don't think they should go total one design it takes a part out of olympic tornado sailing. Hulls: Most top teams use mastroms but they're alot of other designs which less serious people use, so hulls could only be one design for the actuall olympics other wise you quite simply telling all the other T sailors that they can't do big events becuase the got some Reg hulls or other design! Foils: Same problem as above, if you've got a set of reg's rudders on a fairly old boat you don't want to have to go and fork out loads to get some marstroms. Chutes: Same problem again as there are so many different chutes around. Sails: Same problem again. This also makes the class intresting as you have to develop you own sails. |
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It may be a silly idea but maybe one way this could be dealt with would be in Sailing Instructions for the grand prix events rather than Class rules. The SIs for the approved Olympic events for every Olympic cycle could mandate XYZ hulls, sails etc, but the weekend warriors could stay with a choice of suppliers as now. It would then be a far simpler process to change the authorised supplier and there would be no need for grandfathering and all the issues it causes. As I remember there's a half precedent in that IIRC ISAF threatened the Tornados with SIs mandating two strings etc if the class turned down the rule change...
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Stuart O ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514 |
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Catsrule read what they are saying.
for they older boats such as the reg white boats/foils/chutes will be grand fathered into class...ie they will be class legal..so theoretically theyyou would be able to do the olympics in a white/boyer/Eeles As I said the hulls are pretty much 1 design at the moment anyway...and really the top teams either use eeles or marstrom foils as for chutes the majority are using Eeles..if i remember rightly 9 out of the top 10 at the worlds. Sails that is an interesting point as is primarily the reason I beleive that peoples perception of the T an being expensive boat to campaign, Developing sails is seen as expensive. However by one designing the white sails (spinnakers are mainly Gran Segals) would mean that the ability is down to the sailor and not because they have developed a radical sail. My main point is that apart from the sails the boats at the olympics are pretty much one desing as it is. |
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