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Stefan Lloyd 
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 Topic: I14 Worlds Stitch-upPosted: 28 Feb 05 at 8:46am |
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18th I believe. On that basis, sailing them down to 26th would seem quite possible. The subsequent wind-shift favouring the left benefited them. |
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sargethesailor
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Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 8:01pm |
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Jim, What I'm getting at is that there is nothing in the evidence that conclusively proves that they were not doing it for their own benefit. My point is that the sort of fact found which I mention and you quote would be far more conclusive and appropriate to support what is a big call. On the question of more "sporting behaviour" there motivation might just be related to more than the spoiling of their own good name, and also reinstating the on the water winner. I would love to know - and was surprised that it wasn't in the facts found - in what position the Aussies rounded the leeward mark. Does anyone know? Clearly they had some work to do?
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JimC
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Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 2:46pm |
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Excellent witnesses said in the hearing that they broke cover at the appropriate time. No-one's saying it was a deliberate pre-planned plot. Edited by JimC |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 2:15pm |
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If you look at what MuchFWB has to say http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4 66&PN=1&TPN=4 it appears there is a limited appeals route for an IJ decision. This was news to me, but at the last Olympics there was in fact an appeal heard against an IJ decision, albeit unsuccessfully. |
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JimC
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Posted: 27 Feb 05 at 1:06pm |
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I shall be amused to see how they think thay can do that. The Jury didn't find there were team orders and there is no appeal from an IJ decision. Be a far more sporting attitude to say something on the lines of "We can confirm that there were definitely no team orders. However we do understand how the jury came to their decision in the light of the evidence. Therefore we accept their decision and congratulate Irwin on a well deserved Worlds Championship win." |
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sargethesailor
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Posted: 26 Feb 05 at 6:31pm |
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Good. I should hope so. Lot's of discussion on the rules bit thread about the facts found and the conclusions the jury drew. Personally for the "conclusive evidence" required by rule 2 I believe it needed a witness to be able to say something like "they were counting the number of boats which had finished, discussed the situation and broke the cover". Otherwise they are merely inferring intent. No wonder there has been no rule 69 - there is no way the required standard of proof for that has been achieved! |
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Posted: 26 Feb 05 at 11:00am |
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There is a press release from RMW "on another website" stating that there were no team orders and that Richardson/Barker are taking action to clear their names. Seems there is more to hear on this ... Rick |
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Blobby
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Posted: 24 Feb 05 at 3:06am |
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Know the feeling...
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Chris 249
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Well, it worked!
 I hadn't been able to sail much for a week or so (old windsurfing wounds) but I finally got out last night for a delightful race and I'm much less aggro now  |
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Bruce Starbuck
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No.
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No I don't. I think they probably did.
No I don't. Your mind-reading abilities are first-class by the way!
Yes I did.
No I don't!
I was questioning the inclusion of facts such as where someone had dinner the previous evening on a protest finding, that's all. It's highly unusual. The relevance of making the comparison with the Aussie jury chairman was mainly to try and wind up Chris249. Tee hee! P.S. Sorry about spelling "insinuate" wrongly. |
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