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    Posted: 30 Sep 06 at 12:34am

As there is are increasing discussions over T-foil rudders and foils I'm curious about them, never having actually seen any in the flesh, how are the rudders attached to the transom?

 I'm assuming there is a vertically upward force created by these rudders, so the regular arrangement of pintles to drop the rudder on, with a springy clip to stop it dropping off when capsized/turtled won't work as it wouldn't an upwards load. So how's it done?

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I have a load of pics of one of the top 14's rudder assembly and also primal scream's (cherub). If you want them give me your email.

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This is our rudder on the Cherub. The stock is fixed with a metal rod on which the angle of attack is adjusted. The blade is pushed down through the stock and fixed in place by the aluminium tube at the top. Thats about it really!
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this one basically rocks around the bottom pintal on your normal rod. and you can see the rudder blade lock dangerling on a bit of string.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Granite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 06 at 9:12pm
The rudder and Gantry on AquaMarina with the blade of the T fixed in the rudder, the stock rotates to change the angle of attack.

this is with the rudder almost full negative,. no lift for going down wind



The adjuster full positive for max lift when going up wind.



A close up of the adjuster, the rod pushes against the pintle to move the rudder stock.



One of the other ways to do it is to have the blades fo the T-foil rotate on an axle in the blade of the rudder, this is a bit trickier to make but is popular in the 14's.


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Just out of curiosity, how much does the bottom of the blade move fore and aft? Surely this would affect the helm characteristics? or is the movement so slight that the difference is minimal? - just thinking with regard to when I sailed a laser, if the blade wasn't fully down you knew about it!

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Because the whole stock moves you are changing the angle of the hinge so the blade stays in the same place relative to the hinge so no change in tiller loads (at least, when the boat is perfectly upright - as soon as you heel the lift from the t-foil also has a bit of sideways component so steers the boat too...)
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Originally posted by Blobby

(at least, when the boat is perfectly upright - as soon as you heel the lift from the t-foil also has a bit of sideways component so steers the boat too...)

so does that mean the moths have to sail with constant lee helm when they are on their foils?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote BBSCFaithfull Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 06 at 5:47pm
they heel to windward to use the tfoils as a daggerboard of sorts i believe
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Post Options Post Options   Quote timnoyce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 06 at 5:58pm
and surely if you heel to windward the foils produce upward lift which is not only lifting the boat out of the water but also forcing the boat upwind more?
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