New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Kite wraps...
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Kite wraps...
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Iain C View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 16 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1113 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Iain C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Kite wraps...
    Posted: 04 Aug 06 at 9:22pm
Smug away, well deserved!
RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed"
Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs"
Enterprise GBR21970
Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra"
Back to Top
Jalani View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king
Avatar

Joined: 03 May 05
Location: Great Britain
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 164 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Jalani Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 06 at 3:18pm
 (exceedingly smug)
Far too old to still be doing this......

Stealth F16s "White Rhino" GBR527 & "Yeah Baby" GBR538
Back to Top
Iain C View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 16 Mar 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1113 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Iain C Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 06 at 1:11pm
Thanks guys, problem solved just by changing the masthead block for a new one!
RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed"
Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs"
Enterprise GBR21970
Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra"
Back to Top
ssailor View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 11 Oct 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 430 		Post Options Post Options   Quote ssailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 06 at 9:58am
Indeed very similar, im on about stepping on the soon to be old sheet (windward once gybed) to do the same, only differnece being you 5000 guys have a bag not a chute!
Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices!

Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs'

The New Port rule!!.
Back to Top
les5269 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 11 Oct 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1530 		Post Options Post Options   Quote les5269 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 8:47pm

Originally posted by ssailor

Guys I actually believe on Higher and Faster he is only referring to the gybe drop, when coming for a straight line drop pass the sheet to the helm it enables flat out ish speed until you douse the kite! however on a gybe drop you step in, pin the sheet under you foot so that when the sails gybe it is against the jib, enabling you to drop the kite down the side of the jib - much easier!! 
 

On a gybe drop I just pull the windward sheet right in as we gybe then drop the halyard.This enables the kite to drop on the deck so it doesn't trawel (old 5000 practices)
49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!

Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country
Back to Top
ssailor View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 11 Oct 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 430 		Post Options Post Options   Quote ssailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 9:58am
Guys I actually believe on Higher and Faster he is only referring to the gybe drop, when coming for a straight line drop pass the sheet to the helm it enables flat out ish speed until you douse the kite! however on a gybe drop you step in, pin the sheet under you foot so that when the sails gybe it is against the jib, enabling you to drop the kite down the side of the jib - much easier!! 
Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices!

Int 14 Gbr 1244 'Nucking Futs'

The New Port rule!!.
Back to Top
Bram View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: 14 Jul 05
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 49 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Bram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 06 at 2:48am
Originally posted by Iain C

I recently changed the kite on my Cherub for a much better one but I am regulalrly (40% of hoists) having a problem with the top 18" to 2 ' being in a wrap.  It starts at the halyard block and goes downwards...it does not look like an "hourglass" at all with any filling of the wrapped bit, it's just a thin twisted mess.  This never happened with my tatty old kite.

The boat-'05 rules Cherub, carbon mast, internal halyard (apart from the last 2' or so), that is a one-string system and this is the only bit of string in the mast (no jib or main halyards).  Kite is a Hyde RS800 running at masthead height.  It has a bobble at the top of the halyard to try and allow it to spin if required.  Halyard is untapered 4mm or 5mm (not sure which but "standard" size control line) excel pro (don't think it's dyneema).

No amount of yanking on sheets or dropping a bit and re-hoisting will sort this, sometimes a well executed gybe might do.  I have tried EVERYTHING, the only thing I was going to do was alter the tension in the luff line, theory being that it seems quite happy with the twist, where if there were big differences between luff and leech tension it might be more willing to unwrap.

Other idea was to taper the halyard in some way, I'm sure I've seen 800s with the tapered (thin) bit being at the top of the halyard, with (somewhat surprisingly) the untaperd (fat) bit going up to the patches on the downhaul end of the halyard.  I guess the tapered bit might be happier to rotate, and I'm also guessing the taper wants to stop about 2' from where it exits the bottom of the mast.

Any sensible ideas or thoughts anyone?

Iain,

Some of this problem may be caused by winding your halyard up when you de-rig. It helps a lot to use the method climbers use to coil your lines (basically, loop alternating coils over the opposite side of your hand).

The tappered halyard should help a lot and it is preferred to let the tapper exit the bottom of the mast and stop just short of the cleat.  Otherwise you may be pulling the taper through the halyard top sheave when you douse.

If you've not tappered halyards before, go to www.swiftsolo.org and download the rigging manuals for instructions.

I hope this helps.

Bram
Bram
Back to Top
mike ellis View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 30 Dec 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2339 		Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 06 at 9:44am
the foot cleat works fine for me. we only getwraps when my crew lets me near the pointy end
600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318
Back to Top
les5269 View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 11 Oct 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1530 		Post Options Post Options   Quote les5269 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 06 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by BOABS

don't know if you were joking about passing sheet to helm or not but what my crew does is come in to the boat and then stand on the sheet before pulling the kite down.

saw it on higher and faster - which is well worth a view if you haven't seen it.

 

BOABS

Nope not joking I always pass the sheet to my helm for the drop it works really well,meaning we bear off as i go in, but keep the speed on until the last minute.Also I don't have to remember to lift my foot off the sheet so it comes in without any trouble

49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)!

Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country
Back to Top
BOABS View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 17 Jan 06
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 40 		Post Options Post Options   Quote BOABS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 06 at 10:06pm

don't know if you were joking about passing sheet to helm or not but what my crew does is come in to the boat and then stand on the sheet before pulling the kite down.

saw it on higher and faster - which is well worth a view if you haven't seen it.

 

BOABS
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy