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    Posted: 19 Jun 06 at 12:02pm
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Rick -

Tying the boat down using ropes from the hounds worked brilliantly. We ended uptying it down to two ther boats on trailers, one each side, and even with a 17 stone guy trapezing off the wing it never moved.

We did get a little wind as well so it all worked out great

Thanks!

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Rick -

Tying the boat down using ropes from the hounds worked brilliantly. We ended uptying it down to two ther boats on trailers, one each side, and even with a 17 stone guy trapezing off the wing it never moved.

We did get a little wind as well so it all worked out great

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Originally posted by Jamie600

Originally posted by turnturtle

p.s. is this legal?

Kicker system re-rigged to run forward of the mast; using the trapeze elastics to take up the slack-

advantages I have found

1) keep trap lines forward at all times, ecourages me to move my weight forward rather than drag my transom in all the time (also holds the handle forward downwind when sitting in stopping me smash my face up cos the trap lines are in the way)

2) the kicker is easier to use- by running small lines of herzog from the original trapeze elastic points, I have effectively created a pump system to pull the kicker on... okay can't adjust when I'm hanging out the back at mach 3, but then it's all a bit too busy to be fiddling with the kicker if you're planeing at that kinda speed.

3) one less bit of string/shockcoard running around the wings and transom, meaning the others run smoothly without seperate rings and  blocks...



 

Looks legal to me, as long as you haven't added any additional fastenings.

It looks very similar to the continuous cunningham I have, now rapidly catching on throughout the fleet. Only difference is that mine goes the the original rings on the wings, but instead of running aft, it runs forward, through the little gap between the U-bolt and the hull, and is then spliced together over the foredeck. The takeaway system is the same as yours.

 

Thanks for all the ideas guys, it all sounds good so hopefully the students will still find it worthwile

 

cheers

 

 

It works really well, TT was kind/stupid enough to lend me his 600 in a nice breeze the other day and it was great.  Great because the boat is superb, challenging whilst not being impossible to sail (I found gybing a lot easier than close hauled tacking however!) and also becasue it's "fully bimbled" by TT and everything works a treat, especally kicker system.

I reckon in serious breeze you might want the trap wires further back than they are though, come out of a gybe and you might not be able to reach them without pitchpoling!

Thanks TT and very sorry for shredding your mainsheet!

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Originally posted by Jamie600

 

Looks like it's planing   

It does most of the time ... seriously though to compensate for the lack of motion you need it bow up otherwise you keep falling forward when on the wire - also remeber to put the rig tension on.

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Looks like it's planing   

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Here is a pic of me doing a land drill on the MPS.

See how I can trapeze without having to have another person hanging of the trap the other side. This makes the demo for tacking & gybing much better.

It always surprises me how bow up the boat needs to be to balance it when it's static.

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Go for the land drill - you can get loads done.

Take the wheels off the trolley and prop the bow up so you are balanced on the wire. Tie two long ropes to the hounds and tie them to fixed points so the boat is fixed down then you can demo all your manouvers then get the pupils to have a go.

With a group of 6 that could use up a good few hours if done properly - we always do this with newcomers in the MPS and it give everyone a good start.

Also working you way around everyones boats to check they are set up correctly is well worth it - it amazes me how often people struggle because they have the rig set wrong ...

Lets hope for breeze - event with breeze I'd start with the land drill.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

p.s. is this legal?

Kicker system re-rigged to run forward of the mast; using the trapeze elastics to take up the slack-

advantages I have found

1) keep trap lines forward at all times, ecourages me to move my weight forward rather than drag my transom in all the time (also holds the handle forward downwind when sitting in stopping me smash my face up cos the trap lines are in the way)

2) the kicker is easier to use- by running small lines of herzog from the original trapeze elastic points, I have effectively created a pump system to pull the kicker on... okay can't adjust when I'm hanging out the back at mach 3, but then it's all a bit too busy to be fiddling with the kicker if you're planeing at that kinda speed.

3) one less bit of string/shockcoard running around the wings and transom, meaning the others run smoothly without seperate rings and  blocks...



 

Looks legal to me, as long as you haven't added any additional fastenings.

It looks very similar to the continuous cunningham I have, now rapidly catching on throughout the fleet. Only difference is that mine goes the the original rings on the wings, but instead of running aft, it runs forward, through the little gap between the U-bolt and the hull, and is then spliced together over the foredeck. The takeaway system is the same as yours.

 

Thanks for all the ideas guys, it all sounds good so hopefully the students will still find it worthwile

 

cheers

 

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There are a lot of good resources available from the coaching section of the RYA website.

http://www.rya.org.uk/WorkingWithUs/coaches/racingcoaches/Re sources.htm

You can still do tacking and gybing exercises, boat tuning, mental and physical preparation, sailing in light conditions, 5 essentials, starting, tatics etc etc Plus shore drills for trapezing...

Loads to do and you never know the forecast might be wrong!
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Land-drills wire to wire tacking are really good, just make sure the boat is well supported. Also putting the boat on its side and discussing tuning as a group helps to build knowledge. Setting up an imaginary start line on shore and moving two boats on their trailers can be pretty good for improving on start tactics and rules. We did it with 49ers, the boats are moved by one person and someone follows the rear, good for improving boat length judgements. On the water, I know it's probably stating the obvious but keeping the boats together is something you must do, especially in light winds. Practise starts over and over, pair boats up to do one on one tuning sessions, practise mark roundings and roll tacking. Most things seem pretty basic but by covering the basics repetitively improves skills and refreshes the mind. Also exploit the weekend if there is not too much wind and discuss light wind tactics as a group and the group will gain a lot from hearing each others techniques. Worked pretty well with a Scottish Skiff training event and be careful you don't cover everything in one day if the next day looks like there won't be any wind neither. (Sorry James if I repeated anything you said, was multi-tasking between the washing machine, phone and laptop )



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