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    Posted: 14 Apr 06 at 7:44pm

...and the spinny and jib. The 49er spinny looks far more striking as a whole flag, than the rectangular flags on the 470 kites.

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Originally posted by Chris 249

Sorry, I missed out a the vital bit in that post (but put it in the later post); I wonder whether they were asked what they would like the sport to do apart from changing the major aspects (as they have done).

The things I was thinking about are whether the racing could be changed in minor ways to make it more attractive visually, whereas it seems that they have just tried to make the storyline different by introducing a cliffhanger last race.

I was wondering about things like large rounding marks (or boats instead of buoys) with camera crews aboard so they can get close-in pics; mandatory bright and colourful sails (art directors love them to bits).

As an example, I was at a friend's today and they had a 1995 coffee table picture book on San Francisco.. The opening spread was windsurfers, but judging from the sails the pic was probably 1986. Many other people have noted that many of the windsurfing pics you see in general advertising are of the colourful '80s sails. The modern monofilm stuff just doesn't turn the art directors on.

If the art directors I've always worked with are typical, they want crisp pics (which generally means allowing photographers to get close to the races) of colourful boats and sails. From their perspective, whether it's a cliffhanger finale or whether the boat is fast or slow is of absolutely zero importance compared to the aesthetics of the pic.

You'd think ISAF has probably already done this, but we are dealing with a mob who "updated" the Olympic windsurfer to something that will probably be a lot slower (in 2008 conditions) and is much less colourful than the Mistral was.

This is a good point ... if you have a fleet with afrew sponsored sailors it's always the boats with big logos on their sails who end up on the magazine pages ... they just look more interesting.

They should make the whole main the national flag.

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Putting national flags onto the sails was a slight move in that direction.

Personally I think all of this is fighting yesterday's battles. The days when TV companies would put huge money into sport appear to be over. It was about getting settop boxes into people's homes but that phase it over. See what has happened to the amount Murdoch is prepared to pay for UK football coverage as an illustration of that trend.



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Sorry, I missed out a the vital bit in that post (but put it in the later post); I wonder whether they were asked what they would like the sport to do apart from changing the major aspects (as they have done).

The things I was thinking about are whether the racing could be changed in minor ways to make it more attractive visually, whereas it seems that they have just tried to make the storyline different by introducing a cliffhanger last race.

I was wondering about things like large rounding marks (or boats instead of buoys) with camera crews aboard so they can get close-in pics; mandatory bright and colourful sails (art directors love them to bits).

As an example, I was at a friend's today and they had a 1995 coffee table picture book on San Francisco.. The opening spread was windsurfers, but judging from the sails the pic was probably 1986. Many other people have noted that many of the windsurfing pics you see in general advertising are of the colourful '80s sails. The modern monofilm stuff just doesn't turn the art directors on.

If the art directors I've always worked with are typical, they want crisp pics (which generally means allowing photographers to get close to the races) of colourful boats and sails. From their perspective, whether it's a cliffhanger finale or whether the boat is fast or slow is of absolutely zero importance compared to the aesthetics of the pic.

You'd think ISAF has probably already done this, but we are dealing with a mob who "updated" the Olympic windsurfer to something that will probably be a lot slower (in 2008 conditions) and is much less colourful than the Mistral was.
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Originally posted by Chris 249

It's a real pity that (as far as I can find out) no independent sources seem to have asked the TV stations what they would like the sport to do, if we are to get vision.

I think you will find that ISAF has been steered pretty firmly on this point. Why do you think the recent regatta format changes were made? 

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Originally posted by Blobby

 

...tie that in to gps on each boat to tie in to computer simulations of who is leading at any time and you are onto a winner.

they do that on the round texel cat race

you can watch live on the internet it works really well!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 06 at 3:40pm

I have been involved in 2 sets of filming of sailing for TV.  Both lots involved a full day of filming for 2 minutes coverage, doing stuff repeatedly for them including repeating meaningless moving bits of kit when you put them in the wrong place "because the shot was interesting and the light was great from that angle"

From that I would say have multiple laps of short courses, lots of boat handling action so they get a load of repeated fottage so good choice on edits and the ability to get in close to the action...

...tie that in to gps on each boat to tie in to computer simulations of who is leading at any time and you are onto a winner.

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VERY good point! I should have thought of that.

Maybe the question should be "we're not going to change the substance of what we do, but how can we help you make it look good".
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asking the tv people what they want from sailing sounds like a good idea too, just as long as we remember we dont have to do everything they want.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Scooby_simon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 06 at 8:02am

Originally posted by Chris 249

Actually I'd have thought the A would not be on the wire and would be slower downwind, and perhaps around the course, than the 49er in 5 knots ( but of course I'm not sure, just thinking). I think even downwind in the light even the 16 Foot Skiffs blow us away (on the T 4.9) faster than the guys on the As (ie Gashby etc) do, and the 16' spinnaker Mossies (despite their '70s design and tiny rig) blow the As away.

All of the art directors I used to work with wanted pretty colours (ie kites) more than anything else, and that was in the specialist sailing media. It's like the way that most of the windsurfer pics used in the background of ads are from the '80s, when sails were colourful and not monofilm.

Of course, an A Class with kite or an F16 would be a different matter!

It's a real pity that (as far as I can find out) no independent sources seem to have asked the TV stations what they would like the sport to do, if we are to get vision.

 

 

Now an A with a Kite, that would be a good idea. 

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