15 points after 14 races

Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd Originally posted by Guest#260 As for the issue with funds; people pay £40 for a 30 minute golf lesson; would you pay that for 1:1 sailing coaching? No I wouldn't although I have and would again pay to go on class training events. A while ago I made a class training video. We used a well-known professional coach (ex Olympic sailor) to run a training day, with a RIB chaser from which I videoed. Then we debriefed back onshore using the video, with the debrief run by the coach but with interjections from a number of class hot-shots. To me the comments from people within the class were by far the most useful part of the day; however the coach provided the structure for the debrief and that was valuable too.  After that, as a class we paid for a class member to be trained as a RYA coach and he has run subsequent sessions (for free). I edited down the video so it was available to those who hadn't made the session. I won't say on a public forum what we paid the coach but it was nowhere near the equivalent of £80/hour.  There are less well-known people around who charge around £150/day for keelboat coaching.

Agreed; we run class training with the Musto's and it works great but I personally would like to recieve 1:1 coaching in addition to that but it's not really affordable to wheel in one of the usual suspects on the coaching circuit for a 1:1.

Rick

 

Originally posted by Guest#260 IAs for the issue with funds; people pay £40 for a 30 minute golf lesson; would you pay that for 1:1 sailing coaching? I am not talking about the club funding training but the individual. Rick

Interesting point. Perhaps it points up one of the (many) differences between golf and sailing as I don't know many people who'd pay £40 for 1:1 sailing coaching. Is this because many clubs have seen training/coaching as part of their reason for being, and have deliberately kept it low cost?  Do people really value what they've had for next to nothing before?

The class association led training sessions are good though, we've ran a couple of those at the club and got great feedback. Turnouts could have been better though, which brings me back to my original post which wondered if many mid/back fleet types are apathetic and can't be bothered!

 

Originally posted by Guest#260 Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd Originally posted by Guest#260 It is great that people are prepared to do this type of thing but why dosn't every club have a club pro. Because the skills that count the most are class-specific. I think running coaching sessions is part of the role of the class association and quite a few do it.  I disagree; usually the things people struggle with are general. As for the issue with funds; people pay £40 for a 30 minute golf lesson; would you pay that for 1:1 sailing coaching? I am not talking about the club funding training but the individual. Rick

 

Anyone wants any cat coaching I'll do it.  Done a little at Grafham for free for a guy who was getting to grips with his kite.  Both out together yomping up and down the lake working on speed, tack and gybe's etc. 

It just takes time and it's not a full time job as most people are working.  It's much more difficult to nip off to the sailing club for an hour vs down to the golf club for an hours lesson / time on the driving range.....

Originally posted by Guest#260 It is great that people are prepared to do this type of thing but why dosn't every club have a club pro.

Probably because many clubs (well the smaller ones certainly) don't have the finances in place to support paid staff. My club has 150 members and turns over around £20k per annum. Couldn't pay much for a pro coach!

That's why we amble along doing club level training, with the front of the fleet guys doing club racing coach and trying to bring along the middle/back of the fleet guys. And we still send the kids on the old blue and white badge weeks, or whatever they're called now.

Originally posted by JimC Originally posted by TonyL most middle/back of the fleet types seem happy to stay there! Nothing wrong with just turning up to race with your mates on a Sunday without taking it very seriously you know... If you're evenly matched with all your mates and you go and get a whole lot of training so that you beat them easily will you actually have more fun? Sure if your ambition is to get as good as you can, compete at the top in Champs etc get all the training you can, but its not the only way to have fun, and maybe the other way is more relaxing...

True, just seems taining is not that common.

We run tow pro traing camps with Mark Rushall for the Musto Skiffs and the top guys are always keen to help.

I guess it just depends on your attitude to your sport.

Rick