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ssailor 
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Joined: 11 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 430 |
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 Topic: Trapeze harnessesPosted: 03 Oct 05 at 10:35pm |
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I still wear a buoyancy aid because of the regulations at my home club,
however i wear my rooster one, as loose as possible - its very small
anyway, plus with it being loose u can slip out of em easy in the
water. Its very easy on a skiff to get caught as my pic demonstrates
there isnt much room underneath the hull and the sails are very hard to
get out from i have personal experience of that lol.
though so far i have had no real life threatning situations - i tend to
be flying from the wings towards the sea/front of the boat!  |
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Spot192
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Joined: 28 Nov 04 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 833 |
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 7:41pm |
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i agree with dennis. i sailed loads of different boats also dinghies
and you capsize a lot more often in a skiff and in many different ways.
as i had my moth the first season i capsized to every direction, in
every style. she even fell on me and my bouyancy would have been no
real help then.
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49erGBR735HSC
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 6:39pm |
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Larger areas to get trapped under without air which are literally solid and things generally happen a lot quicker. Take for example Fiona's case where she was trapped under the sail and almost drowned, with a large fully battened sail the method of "punching upwards" and working yourself to the nearest edge doesn't work just because of the rigidness and weight in the sail. I don't think it's a case of whether people think it's cool to wear a bouancy aid or not, they would prefer to do whatever is the safest option they consider for the boat they sail. Whenever we go over, we try and flip ourselves over to the daggerboard or have to position where we fall and then watch for the wings coming over on us. Capsizing to windward is especially nasty because the sail does come over on top of you and you have to be quick to get out of the way from an outward position on the wing. Still, I'd choose to wear a bouancy aid but I always make sure I can take it off really quickly. I'd only wear one with a front zip because they are easy to slip out of when you need to. |
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 6:02pm |
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What's so special about a Skiff?
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Spot192
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 3:13pm |
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arenīt those inflatable jackets forbidden? there should be a difference for skiff sailors, dinghy and keelboats.
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Skiffe
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 2:59pm |
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Firstly this thread started about how to wear all the different bits of gear. In order from inside out;
You are going what about the bottom well either nude.... unlikly or long 3mm wetsuit pants to just below navel hight (well it is austalia) As for the life jacket I wear an inflatable jacket so I can dive down if I have to for my own safety. Maybe most of the rule makers have never sailed a skiff before and would never have any idea |
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Spot192
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 2:42pm |
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i understand that. and i always tell every child i teach or know to
wear all those safety things like bouyancy. itīs really important i
canīt deny that and they really save lifes. i know that iīm not a good
model, but i still donīt feel very save in a bouyancy. that might
change someday.
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 2:37pm |
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Sorry to hear that Spot. There will always be people who've had bad experiences and getting them to change their minds will be difficult - I had a girlfriend once who refused to wear a seatbelt in a car for the reasons I mentioned earlier. However I believe it's very important to separate that from a general disregard for safety otherwise our kids will identify with these (admittedly rather cool) individuals and refuse to wear safety equipment as well. With the abundance of well designed equipment around today there is no need for it. |
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Spot192
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 2:12pm |
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i believe there is no general excuse matt, but i for example donīt wear
one cos i nearly drowned cos of it. i was under the sail and couldnīt
dive cos of my bouynacy. thanks to my helm that iīm still alive! from
that day on iīm never wearing a bouyancy again.
and i think those regatta bouyancys you can buy wonīt help a single bit cos when you loose conscious your head floats in the water you could get water in your lungs etc. then you should wear those disturbing orange vests with that collar. |
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catmandoo
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Posted: 03 Oct 05 at 1:19pm |
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I was not forgetting anything ,
My point was that if I am wearing a wetsuit I WILL FLOAT , alive dead unconscious or otherwise , A bouyancy aid will not turn me over so my face isn't in the water - lifejackets are intended for this and is a requirement to be a lifejacket . I don't promote not wearing bouyancy aides merely pointing out the obvious and reminding folk , most SI's will require the use of EXTRA bouyancy . Ps it is still possible to drown whilst floating head up and conscious in a LIFE JACKET it does happen ! Bouyancy aides keep you warm !!! perhaps why I can get away with a 2/3 mm wetsuit all year round . When I sail leadmines I wear a self Inflating Lifejacket , as I could sink otherwise if unconscious etc.
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