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    Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 9:31am
Originally posted by Inland sea


So has the time come? Will we see a Blaze Asym? Only
Blaze 720 can answer that ... ?



So, I take it from that Blaze 720 would be the guy at the dinghy show I
might have spoken to once?

Is it a class owned hull?

Who owns the moulds?

What's to stop someone just knocking them off and building this thing
called something else entirely then, if the class are so pedantic they can't
see the obvious..?
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Blaze 720 sorry I'm confused as to why you have posted the Asymmetric Blaze picture?

In the past whenever this project has been raised, there has been good interest, but as far as I know you have all ways stated that it would not happen. There is a real niche here that a Blaze Asym could easily fill.

Now the hull is nice stiff Epoxy it would stand up to the rig loads of an Asymmetric really well, possibly a larger main, as well as the additional load of potentially widening the wings like the B14. This would transform the Blaze into fully planing mode upwind and make it awesome downwind. As it will never be as fast as a Musto you would gain the fun of tactical downwind asymmetric shenanigans. Through thoughtful choice of kite size (IMHO the V3000 kite seems a little large) you would be able to get the Blaze Asym around a club course / beam reach, keeping it manageable for the less experienced and enjoy the extra tactics. This would all bode well for the class with close tactical racing and prevent the corner banging of the likes of the Musto and 700 ( I appreciate Musto and 700 sailors that the higher end of the fleet are able to make these tactical gains but for the mere mortals banging the correct corner seems to be fastest)

So has the time come? Will we see a Blaze Asym? Only Blaze 720 can answer that ... ?

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Originally posted by sargesail

Nick,

I wouldn't pay 10K - I wouldn't pay 2K!  My 300 is the perfect hiking singlehander!

Matt

Here here. Unless there is a decent single hander hiker with a kite there is no life after the 300 for a single hander hiker. May be the Vareo should had been the 300 with a kite.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote hollandsd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 08 at 10:54pm
Graham why dont you design your own boat there are pleanty of resources around today and pleanty of people that would be more than happy to help, building carbon or even foam sandwich hulls are fairly easy to build.
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Strikes me that could eventually be a 'sensible' Musto.

Especially if a wire 'option' were added.

Only downside, having searched and read all the Blaze X, and Vareo
Development threads, neither is likely to happen and with Rondar in the mix,
even if they wanted to it would be years before anything happened.

Honestly it's like wading through treacle waiting for anything 'exciting' to
happen in this dinghy lark and when it does, it takes forever to put it right.

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Graham, no the blaze doesent have one normally, there has been one retrofitted as seen earlier its a v3000 kite.
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Has the blaze always had a spinnaker?

And what's it like as an off the beach boat?

Strikes me it might be worth considering, I shall go and check its PY.

I'm wondering also, is it the boat the French had built with a centreboard
or
was that something else?

The swinging pole thing works only when it's light weather, and it's then
one
is at one's most bored and/or looking for tactical advantage.


Edit: Clearly not, at least it's not on the blaze site, and I've given up trying
to join the blaze yahoo group, how stupidly complicated that is. So wht's
going on? Another experimental development boat? Sign me up

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Originally posted by JimC

Performance equalisation does seem to be a bit last century, but I never liked the idea so maybe I'm biased. Also do you think anyone's ever got it to work even partially well in a singlehander?


My experience is that it does work...  up to a point.  You're never going to be able to equalise perfectly, so maybe "Performance Tinkering" would be a better phrase...

In the 700, we've seen the Performance Tinkering work really quite well.  I remember a very light wind day at the Nationals some time ago, with a furious 65kg Jason Belben getting rolled down the last run by a less-than-svelte 90+kg Andy White.

Similarly in a fresh-to-frightening nationals a few years later, I remember Jason winning the windiest race by sailing really well and going really fast. 

I somehow doubt that those results would have occurred without the Tinkering system.
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

Well what a co-incidence this is, another missed day today crewless and
I'm now looking for a single hander, lots of what's been written above
would suit me.

Cross between an MPS, & Contender.

I like the idea of a self tacking jib, so a solution to Irons those two craft
always seem to find themselves in.

Definitely a retracting centreboard, PY around 950 not worried about
equalisation but would want it to be useable in 25 knots on the sea.

Would want to learn to trapeze and it to have a spinnaker so I wont get
bored offwind.

Perfect boat for me would be a scaled down Alto with all the same gizmos

Oh and find a way to give the rig a sliding track, so it would cook a bit
offwind and keep the nose up in a following sea, not much to ask.

Would you really want a swinging pole on a singlehander? Especially a trapeze opne (and this thread was as a starter about hiking ones)? I reckon anything you'd gain on angles you'd lose on swimming after gybes due to increased complication. I may be wrong, but then I'm a fan of simple things. Which may say a lot.
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