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Rupert 
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 Topic: Design Failrues....Posted: 18 Aug 10 at 12:06pm |
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The Skipper sold in numbers that the latest boats can really only dream of. So ugly, but a design sucess.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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RS400atC
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Posted: 19 Aug 10 at 1:05pm |
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Correct. There were many designs, some of them much 'nicer' that have fallen into total obscurity. The skipper was design to sell boats to new/non sailors and it achieved that. For many it was a better option than a Mirror kit. It also promoted the multipurpose aspect, outboards and picnic and all that. Not our kind of thing, but IIRC it was sold in city-centre camping shops in the 70's? Alongside inflatables and trailer tents? |
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Thunder Road
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Posted: 23 Aug 10 at 10:21am |
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Just to confirm that the Skipper is alive and well, I drove past Pugney's Watersports Centre on the way back from sailing, yesterday evening and there it was, complete with yellow and white sails. I don't know if it was a 12 or 14 but I was glad to see one sailing again after all these years, not my taste in boats and no wind but I hope they were enjoying it.
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Boydgt
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Posted: 23 Aug 10 at 12:13pm |
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Is there a market for relatively cheap no frills boats these days? Like when people home assembled Mirrors etc, we even built a Wayfairer at the Secondary Modern School I attended, which was great especially after my sisters were'nt too keen to continue going to the Horning SC (following a brief taster session)and allowed me some initial sailing experience on the Broads. Also to admire some of the bits I had worked on in Woodwork and Metalwork.
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tickler
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Posted: 23 Aug 10 at 12:24pm |
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I was talking to someone at Northampton at the weekend and he had been a woodwork teacher in Liverpool in the 60's. After school they built canoes, mirrors and signets. I did the same thing as a Sea Cadet in the fifties. It would be nice to do that again but I wonder if the modern child would show much enthusiasm for such old fashioned boats? Perhaps a stitch and glue asymmetric skiff would be more desirable?
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Captain Morgan
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Posted: 23 Aug 10 at 12:46pm |
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Maybe - but not seemingly in the UK. There's a few designs in the States for some pretty odd looking "fast"(?) dinghies. I can't remember the name, but one particular American design was some sort of stich-and-glue single hander that looked like a Laser EPS with an assymmetric kite. Also have a look at: http://www.bateau.com/products.php?cat=12
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Boydgt
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Posted: 24 Aug 10 at 4:36pm |
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andrewbanandrew
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Posted: 25 Aug 10 at 12:49am |
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You might be describing a Paper Jet 14. Dudley Dix said (on the phone) that when he sailed it in >15 he was able to outpace a windsurfer (unclear what gear) on a reach over a few miles. He later met up with the windsurfer who said that his max GPS speed was 20 kt, so the design has to go at least 10 kts... |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 25 Aug 10 at 2:12am |
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If it was a good board, on a reach in 15 knots it would easily outpace an International Canoe which is one of the fastest-reaching singlehanded monos of them all, so the PJ is probably the fastest non-foiling singlehanded mono in the world...... If it was a bad board, on a reach in 15 knots it could be outpaced by a Solo, so the PJ may not be that quick. The interesting thing about the Paper Jet is that it looks (for a chine boat claiming performance credentials) very different from say the 29er, or an Int 14, or a Cherub or Javelin, or the Farr designs, or a NS 14 or a Tasar, or in fact just about any other successful boat. Hmmmmm...... |
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A contemporary scow to the Fireballs I owned prior, was the Tempo, like a very big Minisail or huge Topper and like the latter probably virtually indestructable but v heavy to haul out. 
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