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    Posted: 06 Jan 06 at 10:16pm

I personally like this definition:

I would say ot be classed as a skiff you must meet most if not all of the following points.

1.History, can your class point to a history of development under its own name as a class not as a couple of prototypes?

2. Are you accepted by the establishment?

3. Do you embrace the "high performance" eithos?

4. Do you have to build it yourself, have it customade?

5. Very few rules? I know that in rescent times both the 16 and 18 have lost this, pity realy

6. NO SAIL NUMBERS. sorry to the 14 blokes

7. Have or did have a feeder system, for new blood into the class, that WASN'T created by the company building the boat?
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Originally posted by Strawberry

I personally like this definition:

I would say ot be classed as a skiff you must meet most if not all of the following points.

1.History, can your class point to a history of development under its own name as a class not as a couple of prototypes?

2. Are you accepted by the establishment?

3. Do you embrace the "high performance" eithos?

4. Do you have to build it yourself, have it customade?

5. Very few rules? I know that in rescent times both the 16 and 18 have lost this, pity realy

6. NO SAIL NUMBERS. sorry to the 14 blokes

7. Have or did have a feeder system, for new blood into the class, that WASN'T created by the company building the boat?

Who came out with this then?
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Scottish Skiff Racing came up with this:
Monohull Asymmetrics with a PY of 930 or less AND Monohull single-sailed boats with a PY of 990 or less.
They had a poll to decide!
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Originally posted by allanorton

Who came out with this then?

An guy on the forum called "Skiffe"
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Originally posted by Strawberry

Buster Boy, your makin yourself sound like a propper twat. Probably a good idea to drop it. If you care that much about what a skiff actually is I suggest you can and find yourself a description.


Strawberry i seem to remember you're reaction when you received a similar response on a different thread:

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Strawberry old boy you are making yourself look a bit daft with these sweeping statements. Quote

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I am expressing an opinion, the point of an open forum.  To have a counter opinion is one thing, but to personally attack someone's opinion..........more fool you. Quote

How hypocritical of you Strawberry!

I wish to talk about boats.
That is why I joined the Yachts and Yachting Forum.
I didn't join to have petty arguaments with other members.


 
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Expressin my opinion,

eg. I think your a fool who has less knowledge of sailing, or sailing boats, than my forestay!
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Not taking sides but Prince Buster has joined the forum to seek advice on certain topics and ask questions as have most of us. He has asked completely fair questions and hasn't made any sweeping statements what so ever. Whats wrong with asking things, im pretty damn sure you didn't learn your knowledge from osmosis, you must of had to ask someone.

Statements like:

eg. I think your a fool who has less knowledge of sailing, or sailing boats, than my forestay!

Make you look a completely unhelpful tw** and destroys the whole point of having a forum, if all the members made comments like that all the time (thanks christ they don't) and if you asked a question somebody ripped the piss into you, im pretty damn sure nobody would post...When you want something answered and get something wrong i doubt everyone will come out with comments like yours....im suprised Mark Jardine hasn't already said something!
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I agree, personal attacks are never helpful. I've learnt a lot from this forum and it'd be nice if people could continue to do so without being laid into because they don't know everything there is to know about sailing.
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Originally posted by Strawberry

Originally posted by allanorton

Who came out with this then?

An guy on the forum called "Skiffe"



IIRC Skiffe sails 12s down under so if anyone on this forum knows what a skiff is its probibly him


My username does not describe me.  it is the name of a Jamaican Reggae/Ska singer.  What does Isis mean?  Aside from the sarcasm can you tell me why you would struggle to call the Farr 3.7 a skiff and how you would define a skiff.


The only 'skiffs' are the original 6s, 8s, 10s, 12s 14s, 16s, 18s etc and things like the Rclass. A number of other classes are 'grandfathered in' IN MY OPINION such as the 49er, MPS...
Im not going to go any further into the debate as weve had this several times before and classes like the moth/rs800/5k/4k will always be a shady area.
I dont think a 'skiff' can ever be fully defined and there will always be argument as to where the line lays but look at any of the classes ive mentioned, and even those in the 'grey' area and you will see a patern emerging. Nothing in this patern fits with a mini-contender, as nice a boat as it might be, hence me not calling it a skiff.

Isis, seems as you asked, is another (largely unused) name for the upper Thames where I do most of my marathon kayaking training and was the first word to come into my head when I signed up.


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Posts: 3941 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 06 at 11:39pm
Originally posted by Strawberry

Expressin my opinion,

eg. I think your a fool who has less knowledge of sailing, or sailing boats, than my forestay!

That's never stopped ME from trying to talk about boats! (mind you, I've never met your forestay... )

And honestly, I do agree with Wave Rider. Prince Buster came on this forum to talk about boats and ask for advice. His username is probably a little more unusual than the obvious boat name/sail number combination; it's got the great advantage that it won't be outdated when he sells his boat (eh, Contender443!?! ).
I'd never heard of Prince Buster (the singer) before our man came on the forum and I've researched and learnt something! It can't be a bad thing Clap

Finally, I think everyone in their life has asked candid questions, or made sweeping judgements, Strawberry, Isis, plenty more and me included! We're all here to share an interest on the same sport, not bicker and call one another names like Asbos-aspiring kids in a primary school playground.

Now, I've said it before: PLAY NICE! (or else Angry Angry...)

xxx BnS

 
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