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    Posted: 18 Sep 14 at 9:21pm
Simon, which club is that please?
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I have a good idea...
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It's the Royal Corinthian YC would you believe! Not sure how much hands on dinghy handicapping experience they have.
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Thanks Dan.
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Great Lakes pys
Zero 1010
Aero 9 -995
Aero 7 - 1015
Aero 5- 1025

All of which sound harsh but particularly the aero 5&7... Ouch
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I also missed this, but as one of the Lymington club, would make the following comments. 
1040 for an aero 9 is roughly what we are working on and feels sort of right. May go up or down by 5-10 , but don't see it as matching a blaze around a course in a breeze. In the light maybe. We had the d-zero the day before the aero and whilst its not a good enough comparison, gut feel says the boats are going to be similar in performance. In flatter water the Dzero will be a bit easier to sail upwind fast, but I doubt they will end up that different. 1010 vs 1040 feels very wrong to me. Personally, I liked both boats a lot.

The testers involvement with RS actually came after the test as the club moved in that direction.   The Y&Y test , whilst giving the boat a 9 out of 10, is actually pretty downbeat IMHO!  
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.......I think that most people cancel stuff because ordering it seemed like a good idea at the time....
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Originally posted by iGRF

I'm going to investigate the possibility of a restrictive practises action against the RYA.

In the meanwhile I've cancelled my D Zero order, I've been away a few days and missed all this, only this afternoon Rodney rang to say it's ready as I was driving back from the Southampton show.

I ordered the boat in good faith on the fair assumption with similar stats but a way smaller rig than the EPS I'd get a slower handicap with which to take on the Streakers and Solo's down the lake, 1010 isn't going to cut that.

So it's a pretty simple decision really, bloody shame, it's an otherwise excellent boat.

Personally I'd have refused to accept that and withdrawn, but then all the time manufacturers let this obvious corruption continue, then as customers what choice do we have?


Sorry, but I get where Graeme is coming from. If handicap racing is all that is on offer, why would you buy something knowing that it won't be competitive? With nothing but blind faith that the system might correct it at some point in the future... no way.

Edited by kneewrecker - 18 Sep 14 at 10:17pm
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well he bought an EPS and I never met anyone who got them sailing to their PY at the beginning. 
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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Yep - but that was a few hundred quid, not several grand.
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