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    Posted: 18 Nov 08 at 10:17am

Interesting post Nick ... is this as you personaly saying "there is an appetite" or you as director of LDC?

Are we getting a scoop in that you are thinking about filling this gap in the market?

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Agree with several of the points made about what would be needed in a new boat..

Upwind performance not far off a 300 - around the track sub 100 PY - race fireballs / 400s etc respectably - jim points out the issues of going faster, really narrow on the w/l and loads of leverage: The 300 was really a 14ft magnum 5 - and I would think (although it sounds good to me!) a kite on a 300 style boat might be step too far for any sensible sized market!!

Proper high quality racer, probably epoxy, centreboard and lifting rudder. Not too out and out skiffy - wants to be a delight in the light and shifty - like the 300. Mainsheet well forward.

At least shrouds and spreaders for downwind, but emulate the upwind look of the 300 - or mabe a lowish forestay for some rig control.

Leverage means rubular wings or moulded wings (think EPS, but pretty)- the latter would be really comfortable, but the B14 and Blaze use tubes - are these comfortable enough?

70-95kg sailors - plenty of lightweights boats and Finn, Phantom, Blaze100 above that.

Personally I prefer performance equalisation of some sort - wings could slide - or you could have differing size sails - or Iso style detachable wings - 2 groups - the 600 made that work?

Above all, has to look great - bit of boat park pride always sends you home with a warm feeling!

going back to Ians original post - I do know that Luca Devoti is developing a new singlehander - not seen a piccy, but I'm sure it will be in the public domain soon.

Equally it seems there is an appetite for a boat along these lines - I certainly thought so after going down most of a (very wild) run sitting on the wing of my 700 the other day! Mind you not going to hang up my harness any time soon.

 

 

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OK.
Without doubt the best and fastest all round any condition single hander,
a Racing Sailboard, (had I used one Round Sheppey I would have won and
probably beaten the cat to the Island record, no question.)is getting to
physical for me these days, hence my initial 'retirement' to a Musto Skiff.

Now I may be getting on a bit and not firing on all cyclinders, but a
Laser?
Sailings equivalent to the mobility scooter, nah not just yet thanks.

Primarily I enjoy sailing the Alto and have the expense of a new one
coming up, but my man doesn't like sailing in the winter, and I need the
practice, so I want something that behaves like my Alto, i.e. uses angles
downwind and a kite.

I was on the verge of the Vario, but have been put off by the bad press,
knowing my luck, I'd get TT's two part hulk re glued.

A blaze has put in an appearance and not lasted long at the club of
dreams as had the 300 and I note along with the two contenders we now
boast, they only go out in fair weather to enjoy their period in irons.

So there is once more, nothing that fits my particular bill as a buy it and
sail it option.

It doesn't matter if you have sailed both rudder systems, unless you've
sailed off our beach, it's pointless talking about it, just accept that over
the years lots of boats that evolved to sea and coastal use went down the
path of retracting centreboard and kick up rudder. Modern Skiffyness put
paid to all that and sailboats co incidently began dissappearing from the
coastal clubs, co incidence or not?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 08 at 9:13am

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Actually I think launching with a kick up rudder is harder than a dagger rudder.


Well you would say that wouldn't you Rick!!!

It wouldn't acutally bother me either way which rudder system a boat had, but it's depth might be more of an issue.  The 700 rudder is straight off the 200, so is quite small.  Even so I go to great lengths to ensure it doesn't budge an inch once down (use of Herzog rope and lots of wing nut tension), and conseuqently I think if I ran aground at any speed, it would do a fair amount of damage to blade, hull or both.

Ultimately, it's hardly a decision making factor in a boat....

Given the choice I'd choose a fixed rudder, then a dagger and last on the list a lifting rudder. Unless I sailed in a location where I am likley to run aground at sted then lifting is top of the list.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote dics Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Nov 08 at 9:08am

Have I missed something? (most probably). Why is Blaze 720 developing a fat mans boat when we already have the Phantom and now the Rooster"extra big" Laser? Surely this is the ideal oppertunity to put a kite on the Blaze as well as a bigger main and rename it as a new class. Otherwise what would difference be? Now a Blaze with a kite going faster than a 300 I would certain be most interested provided it was as elegant to handle.

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Having sailed boats with both rudder systems, I have to say it doesnt really make much odds which system you use.

On a dagger rudder boat pulling it up about 6-12 inches will give you enough steering control while reducing draft to well below knee level. On the RS swinging rudder just loosen the wingnut before you come in and pull the downhaul line out of the cleat.

Anyway getting back to the original post, where is the evidence that a singlehanded hiking assy is under development ?
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Originally posted by ifoxwell

Rumor has it that they are working on a hiking single hander with a spinni...

Has any one seen anything of it yet or know any more about it?

Ian

Back to the original post. Joachim Harpprecht has the Light Skiff on his website.....OK it's not a hiking single hander but the boat has been seen at Grafham I believe.

Could be the source of this rumour given that there is a link between Joachim Harpprecht  and Devoti.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote winging it Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 10:51pm
I can't wait to see the response to that....

grumpf, when you are clueless, sorry crewless,  you are always welcome to call on my considerable weight and experience....

But why not give serious thought to a contender?  It is an excellent sea boat as plenty on here will testify.  There are lots of grumpy old men in the class, so you would fit in really well, and even girlies like me can sail one.

 




the same, but different...

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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 10:41pm

GRF

If you are launching and recovering through sizeable surf on a regular basis I would not go for a Blaze or much similar, at least at first, winged boats are going to be potential trouble in such conditons.  Fine once you are out but you have to get out and back !  (Don't mind selling the replacement wings and masts though ;-)

Try one if you want but if it is an occasional alternative to 2 person boats why not simply go for a Laser ?  Nice, simple, cheap and pretty robust.  Yes I know they have limitations but you can always move on later.  Either that or keep up the board sailing when the crew decides 1) relatives 2) DIY 3) ill / hangover 4) 'holiday' 5) ' work'   6) better things to do.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Nov 08 at 9:39pm
Do it Grumpf, i would think it would be fairly easy to convert! 200 pole? possible even 200 kite?
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