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devotiluca ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 39 |
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rick immagine how boring for me to see that nothing has changed in ten
years....but quality always pays off at the end, by the way i have magic anti d one experts emailing me privately to try the boat and than going on with the same marketing song, kind of schizoid.one other builder running after our boat and sailing next to a potential customer and claiming that their boat is faster though with a py of 35 to 40 higher!!!!his words!!!, i really have done my homework , boat is long ready and have no interest to sl*g off what the other ones do ,market could be so big and our production capability is already at the limit.just getting allergic to this precooked bs.....with respect luca |
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Guest ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 21 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 0 |
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I think you should just get on doing what you do best, building high quality racing dinghies and filling those around you with enthusiasm... it's a proven formula. Don't get distracted. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I'd agree with that sentiment from Rick. I'm not convinced that any of the comments on the D1's looks are orchestrated on this forum, though I agree that once it has been said once, it doesn't need saying every post. I'd love to have a go in her, but as I'm certainly not in the market to buy, for size, location and money reasons, I'll wait until the chance comes up naturally, rather than wasting Devotti time with a test sail. Same goes for the RS100, though it is more likely one will come my way than a D1. |
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rodney ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 915 |
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Where are you based Rupert? Chances to test the D-One are coming up all of the time. Testing by arrangement on Hayling Island subject to tide OR we are planning QM, a Midlands venue (Draycote or Grafham - maybe both) and also a Northern venue or two during the next two months. email me for info - rodney@suntouched.co.uk It really is best to try the D-One - that way you can post your comments here with all the facts and from your own experience Rodney Edited by rodney |
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Hmm... same old, same old.
Firstly Luca, don't pay any attention to GRF, he specialises in winding people up and sometimes drops his manners. Perhaps more time keeping his Blaze the right way up and less flaming? Unless I am mistaken he has sailed neither of the boats and just happens to not like daggerboards or the look of the boat. I am probably the only person lucky enough to have sailed both the d- one and the 100 on the same day in the same conditions and as per my previous posts, they are different and people should buy what they like sailing. Inevitably the RS circuit will be strong, but some of the people these boats are aimed at, do not follow the circuits, they just want a fast boat that works and is nice to sail. I sailed a Megabyte for years-I accepted that I would only sail on a handicap basis as there were only a few around, but bought it because it was a fantastic sail and thoroughly enjoyed it. It is simple a daggerboard is more efficient and centreboard is more convenient. I have no issue with either provided the daggerboard can be held in place and the boom is high enough or provided the centreboard is as efficient as it can be. On both boats I sailed they worked. I am not sure that the stayed unstayed rig argument is particularly relevant upwind in this case. They both point well and truck upwind. The 100 stays are primarily to support the spinnaker, so you could say they are both unstayed. Downwind, there may be a difference and the mast inversion looks wrong on the d-one, but as Luca has said and Tim has born out, it makes the main deeper and apparently works. In my limited experience of the boats, I did find the 100 a little easier and faster off the wind, but it may be that more time in a d-one would rectify that. In sail size, at 95kgs I doubt James would have a problem with either boat. In each case a smaller sail is available if it blows up. The semi battened sail on the 100 was 10.25 meters and control was great. The FB sail on the Devotti needed a bit more thought, but in 15- 17knots I didn't have any serious problems. My Megabyte sail was 10m, the Phantom is, according to NP, over 10.5m on the same software package and the Halo is FB and 11.5m(?). Yes you have to be in the right place, but the leverage and stability of these designs is so much greater than boats such as the laser. For those of us starting to creak, the good news is that both boats are much kinder on the knees, even if our stomach muscles are going to need to be better! I think it is just great that we now have a choice and that both the manufacturers are still passionate about sailing and this is reflected in the quality of the boats being produced. Lets face it, would we be as excited if we heard that certain other manufacturers were doing this..not a chance. ![]() ![]() |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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I am very happy for Luca to use my boat space at Grafham to store one of these boats over the winter in return for being allowed to sail it on light days. The pie eaters would have to sail it on heavy days. Unless my diet goes pear shaped....
This would do me a favour too as it would a) stop me having to worry about tarting up the phantom and b) save me having to worry about whether I should be trading in the c boat for an RS600.... But would the d1 be any easier on my knees? As for aesthetics, leave it to the expert: Q: What is beauty? A: Kant divides beauty into two categories: 1) free beauty--that which presupposes no concept of what the object ought to be; 2) dependent beauty--that which does presuppose a concept of what the object ought to be and judges the perfection or imperfection of the object in accordance therewith. Only in the judging of a free beauty is the judgement purely one of taste. Free beauty is that which has "purposiveness without purpose." The beautiful pleases without concepts of utility or morality: "no subjective purpose can lie at the basis of the judgement of taste." Edited by winging it |
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the same, but different...
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iwsmithuk ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 28 Apr 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 141 |
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Blimey, Kant on a sailing website. Not often Y&Y has me reaching for the dictionary. "purposiveness". Noun derived from purposive. 1.Having, showing, or acting with a purpose, intention or design. 2.Adapted to a purpose or end. 3.Serving some purpose. 4.Determined;resolute 5.Of or characteristic of purpose. I'm not sure I'm any the wiser!
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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the same, but different...
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rodney ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 915 |
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So you want a D-One in your dinghy space? Might be possible! Email me rodney@devoti-one.co.uk Rodney |
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Turnturtle, A very well written post. Tim |
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