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    Posted: 06 Aug 12 at 11:21pm
So you've decided to let the sport take a back seat to the media/publicity aspects and keep the medal race - you want maximum spectacle, after all.  

So why do you run the Laser racing at minimum speed on a windward-leeward course?

As my dad observed (a long-ago sailor), the most exciting-looking sailing was on the short final reach to the line...   Sure, regular sailors will appreciate the tactical skills on the beats and runs, but to Joe Public who you are hoping to appeal to, most of the race just looks dull.
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Does anyone know why the Stars had a dead downwind finish and the Finns had a port hand rounding and a short reach? I think the Finn course was more tactical as it allows you more scope to get yourself on the inside at the mark, this gives you a better opportunity to attack/defend and hence makes it more tactical. The Star course takes some of the tactics out of it and introduces an element of luck (which clearly wasn’t on Iain/Bart's side). I think there were at least 3 Star races with photo finishes which I think reinforces my point.
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look at Decathlon and Heptathlon- OK, Ennis did win the final 800m, but she didn't need to- she didn't even need to get the best time for it. There's the track cycling Omnium as well- that runs low-points scoring like for sailing, but with no discards!
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Originally posted by Chris 249

The concept and execution seem to be completely flawed.
 
It seems that there has not been any analysis of ratings or spectator figures for Medal Races compared to normal races, so ISAF don't know whether or not the Medal Race has the effect it's meant to. One ISAF person remarked recently that the crowds on teh Nothe seemed to show that it worked, but with respect that can't be all that significant since the live audience is tiny compared to the TV audience. Secondly, no one has tried to work out how many people would have been there had there been no medal race.  
It looked as though both events were going to go to the host country and one of the locals was going to set a record for medals - of course there were going to be healthy crowds, no matter whether the medal race concept was in place or not. A quick glance at the IOC broadcasting report shows conclusively that people from a country will watch the finals where they hope to win.
 
Sure, all figures would be rubbery in any such analysis, but it's bizarre that ISAF has made a major change without trying to work out whether it was a success.
 
And the basic idea (IIRC) was that people couldn't understand a contest where the winner didn't win the last race. That's completely nuts, look at F1 (where you can win the worlds months when you have been dead for months, as Rindt proved years ago), the Premier League (?) and Tour de France.  It looks like some of the world's greatest sporting events can be won by those who don't win the last round, so it's obviously no problem if sailing does the same.
I think one of the main reasons for the medal race was to force the series leader if sail the final race rather than DNC in the final race if their score allowed.
 
Just look at the mens RSX, Dorian Van Rijsselberge will have a right laugh in the medal race and didn't bother with the final fleet race.
 
I wonder what he'll do, go out for the win or just mess about for the cameras?
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Our club has received a fair bit of funding lately, but I think it's come largely as a result of the government wanting to get people off their backsides and into (any) sport, rather than because sailing was in the media/good TV viewing.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Originally posted by ASok

Its that media friendliness and commerce that keeps funding pushed into the sport. Unfortunately its something you've just got to deal with.

I've just got to deal with?  Just what does that funding do for me or the sport?  

Does anyone enjoy doing it more because of the funding than Elvstrom and Co. did years ago?  I very much doubt it.   More likely if anything they just feel more pressure.  OK, the funding makes it all seem 'bigger' and more show-biz, but what does that have to do with the participants enjoying their sport?   Money invariably corrupts anything it's connected with.

I'm not saying you have to like it, but giving in to the media attention to raise profile must have a positive effect on the sport as a whole.

Sheppy, Datchet and Pentewan Sands sailing clubs have all recently been awarded lottery funding to help their clubs. I understand that Datchet and Pentewan were associated with 2012 grants. They can't be the only ones gaining from it and I think thats great news for the average sailor that is not necessarily associated with squads or high profile racing.

I'm not convinced that would have happened if the sport wasn't media or general public friendly.
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Chris, I think it is highly likely that having a medal race (day) will attract an audience, but of course it may reduce the crowds for earlier in the week. On balance though, I would suspect that viewing is increased by the concept of a medal race. But the current execution of the concept is naff.

It's daft when half the boats in the medal race can't win a medal! Hence why I suggest making the final day worth half the marks - every 'finalist' would go into the last day with a chance.
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The concept and execution seem to be completely flawed.
 
It seems that there has not been any analysis of ratings or spectator figures for Medal Races compared to normal races, so ISAF don't know whether or not the Medal Race has the effect it's meant to. One ISAF person remarked recently that the crowds on teh Nothe seemed to show that it worked, but with respect that can't be all that significant since the live audience is tiny compared to the TV audience. Secondly, no one has tried to work out how many people would have been there had there been no medal race.  
It looked as though both events were going to go to the host country and one of the locals was going to set a record for medals - of course there were going to be healthy crowds, no matter whether the medal race concept was in place or not. A quick glance at the IOC broadcasting report shows conclusively that people from a country will watch the finals where they hope to win.
 
Sure, all figures would be rubbery in any such analysis, but it's bizarre that ISAF has made a major change without trying to work out whether it was a success.
 
And the basic idea (IIRC) was that people couldn't understand a contest where the winner didn't win the last race. That's completely nuts, look at F1 (where you can win the worlds months when you have been dead for months, as Rindt proved years ago), the Premier League (?) and Tour de France.  It looks like some of the world's greatest sporting events can be won by those who don't win the last round, so it's obviously no problem if sailing does the same.


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Why not reduce the main series to 8 races and have a medal day of 4 double pont races. That would be fairer and no one could have won already prior to the last day. As it stands, the medal race is very short and too much of a lottery.
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The whole "Medal Race" system is perverse. The whole point of holding a an extended regatta series with discards is surely to try and eliminate any unfairness due to the vagaries of the wind conditions. Shoving a double-points non-discardable race onto the end of the series totally contradicts the whole idea.

It would be fairer just to have a 3 or 5 race series and be done with it, and surely any spectators with an ounce of interest would be capable of understanding the concept?

In this instance the combination of this and the use of an inshore course that was always going to give fluky winds just turns the whole thing into little more than a lottery. Today's medal races were an absolute farce, especially after the quality of racing we've enjoyed out in the bay earlier in the week.

Some serious questions need to be asked of the organisers on behalf of Team GB. Far from playing "home advantage" we seem to have gone to great lengths to undermine our own team. Given that we have arguably the strongest team in the regatta the very last thing we needed was to deliberately introduce this element of randomness into the results.

It's clearly cost us one gold medal so far; and in all fairness Ainslie was extremely lucky to get away with it - how many more sailors will get cheated of medals before the regatta ends?

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