'Ringers' competing at the Nationals |
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gordon
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Topic: 'Ringers' competing at the NationalsPosted: 09 Sep 09 at 9:42am |
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Stefan,
I would be grateful if you could let me know where I could find a suitable (and bulletproof) text for SIs or class rules. I agree with you that bringing in the hotshots can cause some resentment. In the ECHO handicap system as used in Ireland there is a specific handicap penalty to prevent this, as well as an automatic penalt for boats that enter the system. it is therefore almost impossible to win your first event under ECHO. Gordon |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 10:03am |
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Hunter 707 and Farr 40 are two classes that come to mind.
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Roger
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Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 10:14am |
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I think it is appropriate to look at what is being discussed here as as I feel the use of the term "ringer" is at best inaccurate.... Assuming we are not using definitions 1,2 or 4 above then that only leaves 3, and I doubt anybody here is suggesting any entrant to a Championships is entering under false pretenses.
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alstorer
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Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 10:33am |
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There is that problem- there's a world of difference between (say) Jon Emmet borrowing someone's boat, paying class subs and entering a Nationals, and a yacht owner adding a pro to his crew to steer or call tactics. The second definitely is a case of getting a ringer, the first isn't (though in weaker classes may be seen as "pot hunting").
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Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 10:55am |
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Blaze Nationals this weekend - Understand ONE loan boat still possibly available by someone who cannot make it this time. Additional RINGERS and 'regular mortals' of course welcome to apply ..... this is a serious offer. Nuff said on subject ? Contact me via private message if tempted. Mike L. (aka Blaze 720 or 769) |
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Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 11:00am |
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Perhaps this thread should be retitled "Pot Hunters" ... because I don't think anyone was really talking about bringing in pros to keelboat teams, after all this is the Dinghy section of the forum ...
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 12:47pm |
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Control of pros is another issue and in the case I mentioned, AFAIK the "guest helm" was not in fact a professional sailor.
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Roy Race
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Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 1:26pm |
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Not here, but they're obviously out there somewhere. They are probably the same people who haughtily ask, "are you a member?" when they see someone new in the sailing club.
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Rupert
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Posted: 09 Sep 09 at 1:52pm |
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Just got the latest Y&Y through, and Bob Fisher seems to get the tone about right when taking the micky out of the pro's who were close to loosing the 1/4 ton cup to a couple of amateur teams. I suspect that the banter in the article closely mirrors that in the bar, and I doubt that any of the teams resented having round the world sailors taking part, especially when they prooved to be almost beatable. There is another article about class hopping - good timing on this thread, then, or was it a plant?! |
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Yes Rupert, I'm paid by Y&Y to make silly posts on class forums for innocent class members to pick up on, and to then discuss on Y&Y's own forums.
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