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JimC 
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 Topic: Olympic Classes for 2012Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 4:05pm |
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The ISAF regulations .pdf">http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/2008%20Regulati ons%20-%20Updated%20After%20May%202008-5854.pdf Edited by JimC |
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kanga
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 4:06pm |
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Look at it this way.....
Basic cost of two new boats (which you will need in a campaign) Cost of new sets of foils New Rope Trapeze Gear Other gear (trampolines etc) Cost of shipping Hull maintenance Rigs (carbon vs Aluminium) Technology And I think you will find the 470 works out considerably cheaper. Thats how you judge it, not by two very different people's campaign costs - everyone campaigns differently and some more extravagent than others. Work it out how much each boat costs to buy, maintain, insure, travel with etc, and you have a closer perspective of the truth. Tornadoes are great boats but they are very expensive. |
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 4:06pm |
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All this 470 v T costing debate is very interesting but at present I don't see how this relates to a discussion about 2012 Olympic classes ... until of course the 11th medal appears. I have to say the cat lobby have gone very quiet ... perhaps thay have been told not to rock the boat at the ISAF conference whilst ISAF get the 11th medal lined up with the IOC ... |
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 4:08pm |
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Linky no worky ... |
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kanga
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 4:08pm |
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yes, you're right, i wanted to just try to prove a point however.
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JimC
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 4:09pm |
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Grumble gruble people who put square brackets in file names, mumble mumble... Link it from here... http://www.sailing.org/2090.php |
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furtive
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 4:58pm |
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There could be some interesting lobbying when (if) the IOC give sailing back the 11th event, and the 470 (W) goes up against the big T to win their Olympic place back! |
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Paramedic
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 6:05pm |
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Binning the 470 and not replacing it with a symetric boat would be outrageous. There are more symetric boats sailed at clubs round the world than there will assymetric ones for a very long time. There are more places in this country that sail or are suitable for sailing a symetric dinghy than there are are large open reservoirs and sea clubs and i would think that the rest of the world must have it's share of duckponds too. All that this sort of thing does is push sailing down the assymetric route to the detriment of many sailors, clubs and classes. I can accept that the 470 may have done it's time as an olympic class but why not replace it with something like the Fireball? |
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Skiffman
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 6:11pm |
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look there is no way 470 campaigns are more expensive! I can not talk figures because its not right talking about other peoples campaign costs, but i can tell from being in the squad the tornado sailors spent much much more than the 470s simple. Maybe in that case the 470 was cheaper but the amount of developement that goes on is no way near the same. Plus you re rope a 470 yearly rather than weekly!
Not sure if the XX should get in because the HS1 is the boat that should be in if a womans skiff is selected. Not saying the XX is bad but the HS1 is an awesome boat, in fact it almost 49er pace in most wind conditions sailed with crew alot light. Hopefully the carbon rig will be faster because we wouldnt want to be beaten by girls... |
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Jon Emmett
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Posted: 13 Nov 08 at 6:22pm |
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This was exactly my point, the figures were for the same person (not two different people) doing a campaign in 470 and a Tornado. So as close to a "like for like" comparison as possible. Edited by Jon Emmett |
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