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kneewrecker 
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 Topic: Nice new Laser for ChristmasPosted: 03 Dec 14 at 9:38pm |
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Responding in red carries less weight and allegedly has an optimised rake.
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Null
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 9:31pm |
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Matt, think what you want, write in a nice agressive colour like red. Be the wanna e forum hard man. I am not the only one with well fittings caps. The Internet forums did no damage with the eps vs 300 as frankly I. 1998 they simply did not exisist so stop pushing the bullsh*t round like a dung beetle because you have your own agendas. Read the forums before making personal digs at people...I now see why some members of other fleets had such an opinion on you.
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sargesail
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 9:14pm |
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More like the picture was missed again, It wasnt sniping at the class was it. More around a video that was posted...Yet again, nothing to do with the boat (what so ever) more over a statement at how fast it was being sailed upwind. In fact it was a point raised by Vroony, not James, myself or anyone else. I know the thought of axes to grind is a fun one, but sadly its simply not true.The negativity comes from frankly dubious claims. Much like with this marketing cock up by LPE. Companies put this sh*t in the public domain. Therefore its fair game to talk about it, pick at it and have an opinion. Its not picking holes in a boat. I for one have said a hundred times i have not sailed one. Didn't mention which *ero. Didn't name names. But seems you couldn't resist wearing a well fitting cap. And I'm not going to leave it alone, not least because I know the damage that similar behaviour did to both the 300 and the EPS when they were in competition. The irony is that I hadn't even read your comments on the Aero thread today when I posted that. I didn't get the Vronny reference until just now...I thought you were referring, back in ancient history, to some comments I made about your comments on a video on Facebook.
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Chris 249
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 7:52pm |
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Since our Lasers come from a different builder I don't know whether the claim about your Lasers is correct, but where is the objective evidence that there is a discernible speed difference between Lasers today? In your earlier posts you have disputed claims by other people about Aussie boats being faster, you disputed the claims that the optimal weight range of Radials is narrow, and claimed that the sails were better than others reckon. To be honest IMHO you're right in all of those points, but is there any more or less evidence for the claim that there is significant variation between Lasers than there is for the claims you dispute? One can feel a difference between Lasers (or THINK one can feel a difference, which is quite a different matter) but finding hard evidence of an actual speed difference in current boats appears to be impossible, unless the boat is actually beaten up or broken.
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 3:27pm |
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rather coincidental: 1) hull weight claims 2) mast rake claims |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 3:22pm |
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I reserve the right to still think was a horrendously cynical, and therefore failed, marketing attempt...
For that I am told, I am a conspiracy theorist. Whereas I'd say... no, sorry guys, the probability that there was a 'problem with the copy to the marketing department' affecting this specific class, right now, this Christmas, about two very specific boat variables: 1) hull weight and 2) mast rake, in the face of this document below reaching the public domain, is rather too much of a stretch- even for me. But do make your own mind up... you're all more than welcome to your opinion that they're not bullsh*ting us if you want.
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Null
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 2:29pm |
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More like the picture was missed again, It wasnt sniping at the class was it. More around a video that was posted...Yet again, nothing to do with the boat (what so ever) more over a statement at how fast it was being sailed upwind. In fact it was a point raised by Vroony, not James, myself or anyone else.
I know the thought of axes to grind is a fun one, but sadly its simply not true.The negativity comes from frankly dubious claims. Much like with this marketing cock up by LPE. Companies put this sh*t in the public domain. Therefore its fair game to talk about it, pick at it and have an opinion. Its not picking holes in a boat. I for one have said a hundred times i have not sailed one. |
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 2:16pm |
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another useful contribution from Sargesail I see. Discussing, even dissing boats and products that are being sold to us is one thing; dissing other forum user contribution, whether you agree or not with their opinion, well it doesn't feel so good does it?
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sargesail
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 2:07pm |
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Nah - they are all far too busy sniping at new singlehanders....
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 03 Dec 14 at 2:05pm |
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HI Ben,
You are of course absolutely right- and good 'uns and bad 'uns goes back as long as I remember reading anything about Laser sailing, as does the well known tales of the top guys picking the best kit and being offered a helping hand in selecting it off the factory floor. However I think there's a big gap between the top squad sailors picking and choosing, to the dealer actively marketing the differences to joe public club muppet. Now we can, if we choose to, accept that it was all just a photoshop f**k up on the marketing desk. Or Sailboats can dispel the rumour and uncertainty with an independent inspection. I think we're both guessing that the results of an audit are probably not what either the Laser class or the dealer want in the public domain though....
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